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Sparky Prime wrote:
Onslaugh Six wrote:Why the fuck this hasn't happened yet is beyond me.
So I guess focusing on developing the new status quo and moving the stories forward rather than looking back is totally out of the question? It's only been a year and they have been revealing bits and pieces here and there about the history as the stories are progressing.
Marvel's cinematic universe has six movies and like two bonus feature shorts, and THEY have a timeline of events.
Dom wrote:Justice League Dark #0:
This is mostly "the secret origin of new 52 Constantine". There are a few things that I recognized as Easter Eggs, likely from Vertigo, even if I did not recognize their exact source. The main thing to take away from this is "a good chunk of Vertigo stuff happened in the new 52".
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I'm interested in how much of Sandman has occurred, if any.
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Onslaught Six wrote:Marvel's cinematic universe has six movies and like two bonus feature shorts, and THEY have a timeline of events.
So what...? That's only 6 movies in a universe that has never been rebooted, making it pretty easy to figure out when what happened there. The whole DC comic book universe is a whole different thing. You're talking about a lot more characters and history there. It's a lot more complicated to map out.
Dominic wrote:They should have "developed" this before they published it. The impression that most people have is that DC put zero planning in to this. Both the Batman and Superman books have seen some retcons *after* being published. The only reason for that sort of thing is a lack of planning.
I don't agree that the "only reason" for that is a lack of planning. As I've said, their focus has been on developing the current status quo and moving forward, which is understandable within the first year or so of a major reboot like this. But I would agree DC should have planned this out better than they have given some of the contradictions and retcons we've seen already.
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I'm interested in how much of Sandman has occurred, if any.
I could not tell you. There were a few thing that I recognized as "probably references". But, I could not specifically place them. I hate to say it, but I could do without Sandman in current DC, given the creative types that it is likely to attract.


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Dominic wrote:
I'm interested in how much of Sandman has occurred, if any.
I could not tell you. There were a few thing that I recognized as "probably references". But, I could not specifically place them. I hate to say it, but I could do without Sandman in current DC, given the creative types that it is likely to attract.
I'm interested on the level of "Sandman is a thing that I like and it may have a bearing on this new universe." I would pretty much be entirely unaffected if Sandman never occured; likewise as I would be if it 'had' occured, either whole-cloth like the original or with details changed. (Sandman occasionally has things take place on specific dates, sometimes then-contemporary and involving current DC events, and actually relies on more than a little previous DC continuity for it to actually function as a story. Both the Golden Age and Silver Age Sandman characters turn up in different ways, and are implied to have spouted up during a 100-year absence, so it almost fundamentally can't work with New 52 DC.
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Silver Age Sandman's child actually becomes the new Dream at the end.
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It's even more interesting that apparently Gaiman is writing a new Sandman story that's to be published soon, so we'll see what that does.
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Hawkman has been completely re-jiggered and streamlined. So, all of those connections to the Golden and Silver-Age Hawks (as well as Fury from "Infinity Incorporated") are gone. If Sandman has been folded in to the new 52 (cap?), there would be significant rewrites unless Gaiman were to completely go in to business for himself.

Last week and this week were both busy and involved a good many books shipping. Rather than fall behind in two other books (TF "Robots in Disguise" and "ReGeneration 1") to partially catch up on "Ultimates", I grabbed the TF books and "Team 7" today. Expect reviews in the next day or so. And, I read a couple of zero issues last night. (Expect reviews of those tomorrow.)

I plan to pick up some AvX follow-up books this weekend. (Hopefully, new week will be a lighter week in terms of what ships.) After that, I will either go the the "Ultimates" books, or maybe some more zero issues.


All I got now is a quick flip-through review of the "Marvel Now" preview book.

-Fantastic Four: A few pages of the team apparently trapped in a dinosaur's mouth. Hey, look, Johnny is back. (This would bother me less if Marvel did not over-sell his "death" a few years back.)
-FF: So, Scott Lang is back, despite being blown to smithereens at the beginning of Bendis' run on "Avengers". They brought back Scott Lang. Wow. Uh, "awshum". We cannot even rely on the deaths of a 3rd, arguably 4th, tier character to stick. (And, yeah, this gives me more reason than ever to be skipping Marvel books.)
-Ironman: Some stuff is happening with Extremis apparently. I bet it involves Ironman getting new armour and losing the Extremis stuff.
-All New X-Men: I really want to like this. But, it smells too much like "The Crossing Line", albeit with better planning. This run of comics will not stick, and the high concept (where the "present day" is effectively an apocalyptic future) is not worth my reading time on its own.
-Captain America: Cap fights an eco-terrorist named "Green Skull". (Last I heard, DC and Marvel held that name jointly. I guess Marvel took the name, if not the Amalgamated character.) The preview itself does not show anything about it, but the write-up mentions a "Dimension Z". Yay. Dimension-hopping Captain America.
-Indestructible Hulk: 2 pages. And, uh, Hulk joins SHIELD? The concept itself almost interests me. But, these two pages do nothing to sell it. (Marvel is likely relying on Waid's name to sell this book when it actually comes out.)
-Thor God of Thunder: Aaron seems to be drawing on an idea from one of the "Secret Invasion" tie-ins. Somebody/something is killing various Marvel pantheons. I might actually add this book.
-Deadpool: Uh, no. Just no. "Deadpool v/s dead presidents." Yay. Pointless crap.
-X-Men Legacy: I am not sure if the series will be black and white, or if they used unfinished art for the preview. Apparently, this is going to be "Legion tries to do good". Similar to "All New X-Men", this story inverts an old cliche (with the future being changed instead of the past). But, the concept is not quite enough to interest me. I would probably be more interested in the alleged future of the setting if Shadow Cat were not so prominent despite being killed off a few years back.
-Avengers Assemble: The preview consists of a double page spread with no words. Fuck you too Marvel. This is going to be an easy skip.
-Red She-Hulk: Putting aside the fact that this series has a really stupid name and the fact that the main character is another "was dead for a while but got better", this does not look like a bad book. The big idea is "superhuman decides to protect humanity....by killing other superhumans. I have read worse.


All things considered, a few of the above have possibilities. But, Marvel really just seems to be delivering more of the same. Marvel is selling more comics. DC is selling *new* comics.


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Dom wrote:-Ironman: Some stuff is happening with Extremis apparently. I bet it involves Ironman getting new armour and losing the Extremis stuff.
Just in time for him to get it back next year when Extremis is the Iron Man 3 arc!
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I flipped through Uncanny Avengers #1. Opening and closing an issue with a brain-exposed lobotomy isn't the best way to draw me into a book, I have to say. A bit too gory for my tastes. Felt like a Geoff Johns book, especially with Scarlet Witch getting impaled to add to the bloody proceedings.
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Dominic wrote:-FF: So, Scott Lang is back, despite being blown to smithereens at the beginning of Bendis' run on "Avengers". They brought back Scott Lang. Wow. Uh, "awshum". We cannot even rely on the deaths of a 3rd, arguably 4th, tier character to stick. (And, yeah, this gives me more reason than ever to be skipping Marvel books.)
Scott Lang actually returned a while back, during the "Young Avengers: Children's Crusade" storyline. The Young Avengers had traveled back in time to escape a battle as well as to try and undo all the damage Scarlet Witch had done in the first place. They managed to save Scott before Jack of Hearts exploded and brought him back to the present.
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Dominic wrote:All I got now is a quick flip-through review of the "Marvel Now" preview book.
The guys at my shop chucked this in the bag with the stuff I bought (I didn't ask them to! They're trampling all over my rights!), so I flipped through it. Just wanna say that I find it funny that they're calling it 'Marvel NOW!', but then just looking at the covers you've got stuff like retro-art FF, Captain America still in a World War setting, and the original/classic X-Men line-up. Yeah, real 'NOW!' guys...

Also that Captain America cover (which is also used as the cover of the preview book itself) looks like all kinds of ass.
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I flipped through Uncanny Avengers #1. Opening and closing an issue with a brain-exposed lobotomy isn't the best way to draw me into a book, I have to say. A bit too gory for my tastes. Felt like a Geoff Johns book, especially with Scarlet Witch getting impaled to add to the bloody proceedings.
Whose brain was it?

Scott Lang actually returned a while back, during the "Young Avengers: Children's Crusade" storyline. The Young Avengers had traveled back in time to escape a battle as well as to try and undo all the damage Scarlet Witch had done in the first place. They managed to save Scott before Jack of Hearts exploded and brought him back to the present.
Where is O6 when we need him? Somebody has to say it. Somebody, please, say it.
Also that Captain America cover (which is also used as the cover of the preview book itself) looks like all kinds of ass.
It looks very 90s.....


Team 7:
This issue shows the team kicking off their first mission. The narration is framed as Lynch's thoughts about each member of the team. In typical fashion, Lynch's thoughts about individual members share page space with the individual member in question getting a moment to shine on a recovery mission. It is a basic, but effective, way to give quick explication. A few of the members have "dead" stamped across their faces. Hopefully, this wll play out less predicatably than I anticipate. The mission for the first issue, and likely the next few issues, is investigating and recovering a floating prison for meta-humans that makes SHIELD's helicarrier look like a prop-plane. The team runs afoul of an Eclipso investigation. Aside: Amada Waller seems to be drawn a bit "meatier" in this issue. Part of me expects her to slowly gain her familiar weight over the course of the series.
Grade: B


Superman #0 and Supergirl #0:
One thing that has carried over from before "Flashpoint" is the Supergirl being presented in a mildly disturbing light. Putting aside the fact that "comics as fap-fodder" is a hard concept to grasp, it is questionable to see a character that is written as a minor presented so lewdly. Supergirl's new costume is not quite as bad as Power Girl's old "boob window" costume. But, there is one panel that could not have been drawn without lewd intent, or at least the awareness that lewd intention would be assumed. (Disturbingly, Supergirl actually looks younger in this panel than in the rest of the book....and she is drawn in "anime slut" style.) It is not quite the Turner era Supergirl, and she has yet to crawl around on all fours whimpering about how she is "such a bad girl". But, the new series is definitely aiming for that rather creepy mark.

Continuity wise, the current take on Krypton borrows from Byrne's Krypton and various others. The logic of "this one guy managed to build a spaceworthy baby carriage in his garage" is a difficult to make work in a non-Silver Age comic. In this case, a combination of Krypton's high gravity and a broken society explain why so few people in a technologically advanced society were able to escape an obvious threat. The Supergirl origin strongly implies that the "New Krypton" arc either still counts, or is going to be revisited, in the New 52.



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