G1 season three thoughts

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Having bought season 3 on DVD, time to pontificate a bit on the episodes, most of which I haven't seen in years, if ever.

The Five Faces of Darkness
Otherwise known as, TFTM 2, or at least it seems that way. FFOD not only explores the new status quo post-movie, but it wraps up some loose plot threads that were never explained in the movie, such as who the Quintessons are and what the meaning of their trial is. The story is fairly good, if as full of plot holes and conveniences as most childrens' cartoons at the time.

The basic plot: the Autobots have won the war, and are taking their place as peaceful members of the intergalactic community, which contrasts greatly with the first two seasons where they were largely trapped on Earth with a "Megatron's evil plot of the week" variety of storytelling. The Decepticons are in bad shape following their loss, and many season 2 characters that didn't appear in the movie show up on Char. Dead End gets all sorts of fatalistic lines about how doomed they are, which are hilarious. Plotting in the background are the Quintessons, who have decided that now is the time to reclaim their home planet of Cybertron and destroy their wayward creations, the Transformers.

I remembered that this was the origin story when it comes to the cartoon, and it's actually fairly reasonable. The Autobots are consumer model robots, while the Decepticons were the military hardware. They were made too well and grew beyond their programming, at least enough to overthrow the Quintessons, though their essential natures remained. Enough so that the Quintessons in the present day can often predict what they will do. It's strongly implied if not outright stated at one point that humans have greatly influenced the Autobots and changed their behavior. The Quintessons are afraid of humans because they can't predict and control them.

There are some good ideas here. The origin story is mixed with Rodimus adjusting to his new position of leadership, and all of that is balanced against the return of Galvatron to power. And the story isn't afraid to burn some bridges either, as Quintessa is destroyed, along with (surprisingly) the Ark and Teletran 1, as Trypticon smashes the volcano.

Nice to see Jazz, alive and well as shown at the end of the movie, though he gets no lines. He wins a race in episode 1, and shows up during the fight in episode 5. Thrust and Dirge are apparently killed by Ultra Magnus, but I'll bet they turn up later. There are so many animation errors that it's hard to tell what's genuine sometimes. Characters are the wrong colors, and Insecticons turn up in one crowd scene.

On the downside, there are a lot of convenient coincidences, and the pairing of the two most annoying Transformers ever (Wheelie and Blurr) is stretched out over all five episodes, as they struggle to get to Earth with the transformation cog for Metroplex. Bad design to have one component that allows transformation, and without it you've got doomsday. The same is true later on when one demolished power plant leaves the entirety of Cybertron defenseless. And Rodimus has to nearly die to access the Matrix? What's the point of all that wisdom and knowledge if a hale and hearty leader can't access it? Maybe Rodimus just doesn't know how, I don't know.

And I want Scourge's sense of vision. While standing inside Unicron's head, he peers out into space and can see Galvatron's arm sticking out of a pool of plasma many solar systems away, AND tell that he's alive. Yeah, right.

Overall: as with all G1, and keeping in mind that it's a children's show that was often rushed into production to meet deadlines, it's a mix of good and bad. Five Faces of Darkness actually has some great ideas and would have benefitted from a little more structured storytelling and some more logical consistency to the narrative... but wishing for that may be a little too unrealistic, right? :P

The Killing Jar
Pretty standard plot. We've seen it on Star Trek on more than one occasion. Alien captures human specimens for study, only in this case a Quintesson captures an Autobot, a human, a Junkion and a Decepticon for study. The episode is largely an excuse to showcase some of the new post-movie characters and play them off of each other. Intergalactic time and distance is completely ignored, which is of course par for the course. The animation is decent for season three, and an attempt is made at characterization, which raises this episode above some others. I laughed at the Quintesson complimenting his guard for the guard's piloting skills though, since the ship ends up in an electrical storm in space as well as a black hole. Wouldn't want to know what poor piloting looks like if that's good!
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andersonh1 wrote: Nice to see Jazz, alive and well as shown at the end of the movie, though he gets no lines. He wins a race in episode 1, and shows up during the fight in episode 5.
He couldn't have any lines. Scatman Carothers died right after the movie, and really, who could've filled those shoes?

And I want Scourge's sense of vision. While standing inside Unicron's head, he peers out into space and can see Galvatron's arm sticking out of a pool of plasma many solar systems away, AND tell that he's alive. Yeah, right.
It seems a bit farfetched, yeah, but then again, Scourge is supposed to be a hunter/tracker kind of guy, so enhanced senses are kind of his thing. Not that this ever came up again that I recall, but still. Stellar systems away is really pushing it, but like you said, interstellar distances aren't really used with any sense of realism in this show.

I really liked season three at the time. I haven't rewatched a lot of it since, but I liked the new movie guys and the new status quo that this season brought on.
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138 Scourge wrote:
andersonh1 wrote: Nice to see Jazz, alive and well as shown at the end of the movie, though he gets no lines. He wins a race in episode 1, and shows up during the fight in episode 5.
He couldn't have any lines. Scatman Carothers died right after the movie, and really, who could've filled those shoes?
That's right, I knew he had died sometime around then, but wasn't sure when.

Have you ever seen John Wayne's last movie, "The Shootist"? Scatman Crothers is in that as a stable owner. I'm sure he was in other live-action movies or TV, but that's the only time I've actually seen rather than heard him act.
I really liked season three at the time. I haven't rewatched a lot of it since, but I liked the new movie guys and the new status quo that this season brought on.
My mom wouldn't let us watch it. Seasons 1 and 2 were on in the afternoon after school, but three got moved to early mornings when we were getting ready for school. So even though I really wanted to see the episodes, she said no. I have seen a few episodes here and there over the years, but there are still S3 episodes I doubt I've ever seen, so I'm looking forward to a few new stories.

I think the writing often improved, though the animation quality went down in a number of episodes. I think they had someone different animating than seasons 1 and 2 maybe? Not sure. FFOD jumps around all over the place.
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andersonh1 wrote:
Have you ever seen John Wayne's last movie, "The Shootist"? Scatman Crothers is in that as a stable owner. I'm sure he was in other live-action movies or TV, but that's the only time I've actually seen rather than heard him act.
I have, but it's been quite some time, and I can't say I remember Scatman in there for sure. You've never seen "The Shining"? He had a bigger role in that one.
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andersonh1 wrote:Jazz wins a race in episode 1
Surely you mean Munka Spenka, Jazz's lesser-known and wayward brother.
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I always liked the FFoD origin for TFs better than cosmic origin Furman came up with.


I remember "The Killing Jar" being good. Did you catch Flint showing up?


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138 Scourge wrote:
andersonh1 wrote:
Have you ever seen John Wayne's last movie, "The Shootist"? Scatman Crothers is in that as a stable owner. I'm sure he was in other live-action movies or TV, but that's the only time I've actually seen rather than heard him act.
I have, but it's been quite some time, and I can't say I remember Scatman in there for sure. You've never seen "The Shining"? He had a bigger role in that one.
No, I've never seen it.
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andersonh1 wrote:Jazz wins a race in episode 1
Surely you mean Munka Spenka, Jazz's lesser-known and wayward brother.
Oh yeah! My mistake! :lol:

Seriously, it is kind of odd to see Jazz win the race and then hear "Munka Spanka" given credit. And how'd they say a name like that with a straight face anyway? :roll:
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Dark Awakening
This is one s3 episode I've seen quite a few times. The story is pretty good, if actually somewhat grim for a kid's show. If you boil it down, the Quintessons use beloved leader Optimus Prime's corpse as a weapon against the other Autobots. Rodimus shows that he isn't terribly attached to being in charge since he can't wait to give up the Matrix, and it won't be the last time that he's happy to be rid of it. I'd never noticed before that the four Autobots who find Optimus in the crypt were all there when he died. And Galvatron shows some competence by not just assuming that Rodimus is dead when his ship is destroyed. He goes to check the rubble.

And I have to laugh at the Quintesson's "anticipatory snicker" of victory. Man, those guys are villains and they know it. Good episode with some decent emotional drama, if you're a kid attached to Optimus Prime (as so many apparently were!) The animation quality take a nosedive, though. And I always thought this episode came much later in the season, but I guess not.

Starscream's Ghost
Now this is a weird episode, structure-wise. The whole first act is about Octane. Starscream doesn't show up until halfway through. Octane, a Decepticon pals around with Autobot Sandstorm, which is unusual for this cartoon where the two sides are usually very far apart. There's some lame attempts at comedy as a hired assassin continues to fail to kill Octane, who never even notices it's happening.

Once Starscream shows up, the real plot kicks in as Starscream wants to kill Galvatron for killing him back in the movie. He and Octane conspire to set Galvatron up for an Autobot ambush. It almost works, but a very battered Galvatron escapes and returns to return the favor. The episode ends with Starscream in possession of Scourge.

Apart from a meandering first act, this is another fairly strong episode. It's odd that we got two "back from the dead (sort of)" episodes in a row though.
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andersonh1 wrote:It's odd that we got two "back from the dead (sort of)" episodes in a row though.
Yes it is. *Why* are you watching Dark Awakening now when it's, like, the penultimate episode of the season? O_o
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Gomess wrote:
andersonh1 wrote:It's odd that we got two "back from the dead (sort of)" episodes in a row though.
Yes it is. *Why* are you watching Dark Awakening now when it's, like, the penultimate episode of the season? O_o
No it isn't! All DVD sets and the original airing order put it toward the beginning. Plus, the beginning of RoOP indicate that it's been a little bit since Prime was a zombie.
andersonh1 wrote:Octane, a Decepticon pals around with Autobot Sandstorm, which is unusual for this cartoon where the two sides are usually very far apart.
Did the DVD set put Thief in the Night 'after' this one? Goddamn it. Thief In The Night happens before Starscream's Ghost, and explains exactly why Galvatron kicked Octane out.
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