Dumb fans think Furman should write G1 #81 and beyond.

[BWprowl]

Yeah, G2 #13 would be cool but Furman has already said that he's retconning 1-12 with 81 so that's reason number 1 why this sucks. Plus I really don't think Furman can handle trying to end issue 100 to match up with GI Joe 138. If the IDW BW comic proved anything it's that he's not a good enough writer to pull off shoehorning stories into an existing continuity.

I wouldn't count him totally out there. Maximum Dinobots was basically five issues of Furman scribbling around McCarthy's story, and it's probably the best thing Furman's written in ages.

I mean, let's give credit where credit's due: This wouldn't just be Furman writing a story into an existing continuity, this would be Furman writing new stories for a continuity that he *created* a lot of. I'll admit that he's the reason I still enjoy so much of Marvel G1 (with a lot of extra points given to the UK stuff), so if anything, maybe returning to this continuity could work out well for him.

Plus, it keeps him away from the Ongoing. Y'know, until they *really* come up with a bad idea and cross the two G1 books over in some stupid event or something.

[Dominic]

Ah damn. I just hope Furman does a better job than Hama.

If the IDW BW comic proved anything it's that he's not a good enough writer to pull off shoehorning stories into an existing continuity.

In fairness to Furman, he built his early career on doing just that. Granted, he had an editor teling hime what to do, but he does have practical experience on this. And, editorial oversight is not IDW's strong point.

I wouldn't count him totally out there. Maximum Dinobots was basically five issues of Furman scribbling around McCarthy's story, and it's probably the best thing Furman's written in ages.

Easily the best thing he has written since "War Within".

I'm just hoping issue #100 leaves off right where the Marvel G.I Joe issue #138 started.

Why? The Marvel TF/Joe crossovers are problematic in and of themselves. I would not mind seeing some kind of combined series. But, it would be better to have that pick up from the old DDP comics.

I do agree that post G2 would be a good starting point. But, I doubt it would have fan or editorial support, so I ain't gonna hold my breath.

Plus, it keeps him away from the Ongoing. Y'know, until they *really* come up with a bad idea and cross the two G1 books over in some stupid event or something.

Shut up. Just shut the hell up right now.


Dom
-likely to skip this.

[Onslaught Six]

I do agree that post G2 would be a good starting point. But, I doubt it would have fan or editorial support, so I ain't gonna hold my breath.

Furman has much implied there's going to be a Big Timeskip, so the events of G2 could likely be glossed over and slightly retconned. And to be fair, G2 left the Marvel universe in pretty rough shape.

Shut up. Just shut the hell up right now.

I am calling it now--Chaos ends with Galvatron, Dirge, Bludgeon, Scourge and Thunderwing disappearing and five Armada Decepticons taking their place.

(I still want that to happen.)

[BWprowl]

I am calling it now--Chaos ends with Galvatron, Dirge, Bludgeon, Scourge and Thunderwing disappearing and five Armada Decepticons taking their place.

(I still want that to happen.)

Hey, I remember when that idea first came up and I still support it. Now *that* would be a random reference that only hardcore fans who've been around for a bit would get. It'd be especially fun to see all the retards asking who the Armada guys even were. *Sigh* I find myself agreeing with the assessment you made when we were talking about 'Beast Wars fans' who had no awareness of the Japanese series. I swear, there were people on /toy/ the other day who neither knew that Shockwave's altmode was a Giant Space Gun, nor what 'Are All Dead' was. Then there were the people ripping on Generations Jazz's similarity to Universe Prowl (going so far as to insist that Jazz must be a remold) before I politely showed them some pictures of the G1 toys and pointed out that the original molds/designs were simply that similar, and they relented that they were not familiar with the G1 toys.

EDIT: Oh fuck and then there was the guy who got Warpath because he thought he was a Decepticon, then got pissed off once he had him in hand and realized he was an Autobot, since he "didn't look like one". Yeah.

But I digress. Heh, I kind of like the idea that the 'Dead Universe' Galvatron and Nova Prime discovered was actually the Armada Universe. And if the 'Mini-Cons' from Gorlam Prime all disappeared through that portal suddenly...

Oh God, now people are gonna play the Morrison card and say that Furman actually planned all this out, aren't they?

[Tigermegatron]

I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring & predict my own random ideas.

When optimus prime dies in issue #125. Rodimus prime will become the autobot leader for the 2012 year.

[Shockwave]

I am calling it now--Chaos ends with Galvatron, Dirge, Bludgeon, Scourge and Thunderwing disappearing and five Armada Decepticons taking their place.

(I still want that to happen.)

Hey, I remember when that idea first came up and I still support it.

Seconded.

Now *that* would be a random reference that only hardcore fans who've been around for a bit would get. It'd be especially fun to see all the retards asking who the Armada guys even were. *Sigh* I find myself agreeing with the assessment you made when we were talking about 'Beast Wars fans' who had no awareness of the Japanese series. I swear, there were people on /toy/ the other day who neither knew that Shockwave's altmode was a Giant Space Gun, nor what 'Are All Dead' was.

... ... ... ... Wha... wha... I can't... I just can't.... wah.. *head explodes*

[Onslaught Six]

Remember, these are people from 4chan.

I like the place but sometimes they ain't the brightest. Damn kids. (I'm fairly sure I saw the thread you were talking about, Prowl.)

[Dominic]

Okay, gotta play the heel here....

Now *that* would be a random reference that only hardcore fans who've been around for a bit would get. It'd be especially fun to see all the retards asking who the Armada guys even were

Yeah, all the retards who do not get a reference to a comic from how many years ago? Oh yeah, total fucking noobs. We totally need a mainline comic building on obscure references.

This is exactly the shit that I am talking about when I complain that the hobby is getting too self-indulgent and insular.

I swear, there were people on /toy/ the other day who neither knew that Shockwave's altmode was a Giant Space Gun, nor what 'Are All Dead' was.

Chumps. They call themselves fans when they do not get references that are 25+ years old. Yeah, the information is there, and apparently being a fan mandates that somebody spend hours on the wiki just reading up on stuff. Yeah, I like the cover to Marvel issue 5 as much as anyone, but I do not see getting the reference as being *that* important.

EDIT: Oh fuck and then there was the guy who got Warpath because he thought he was a Decepticon, then got pissed off once he had him in hand and realized he was an Autobot, since he "didn't look like one". Yeah.

Actually, yeah, that is pretty stupid. (Look at the damned package, or even the product listings.)

But I digress. Heh, I kind of like the idea that the 'Dead Universe' Galvatron and Nova Prime discovered was actually the Armada Universe.

200 words or less, how? (I smell fanfic.)

When optimus prime dies in issue #125. Rodimus prime will become the autobot leader for the 2012 year

Probably.


Dom
-why deliver on the fandom stereotype?

[Shockwave]

I swear, there were people on /toy/ the other day who neither knew that Shockwave's altmode was a Giant Space Gun, nor what 'Are All Dead' was.

Chumps. They call themselves fans when they do not get references that are 25+ years old. Yeah, the information is there, and apparently being a fan mandates that somebody spend hours on the wiki just reading up on stuff. Yeah, I like the cover to Marvel issue 5 as much as anyone, but I do not see getting the reference as being *that* important.

No. Sorry I'm not giving you/them this one. It's like claiming to be a Star Trek fan and not knowing who the fuck Spock is.

But I digress. Heh, I kind of like the idea that the 'Dead Universe' Galvatron and Nova Prime discovered was actually the Armada Universe.

200 words or less, how? (I smell fanfic.)

I'll give it to you in two: Universe hopping. With all the cross over in previous years do we really need any more explaination than that?

[Dominic]

It sounds to me like "Armada am teh suck so it died lololololololololol". Unless you are talking about the Universe that the dead Prime came from, in which case it stops being GeeWunnery, but still sounds kind of fannish.

Making the idea of a multiverse an integral part of TF lore was one of the worst story mistakes Hallit and Hasbro made back in '03.

No. Sorry I'm not giving you/them this one. It's like claiming to be a Star Trek fan and not knowing who the fuck Spock is.

It is more like being a Star Trek fan and not getting a Pon-Far or Space Lincoln reference or not knowing that "Beam me up Scotty" is a phantom quote.


Do we really need current comics to be giving obscure call-backs to, let along actually being tied into plots from, comics that were published 7+ years ago? Who does that really help aside from hard-core fans who need their egos stroked with referecnes that only they would get? Hell, I am arguably the biggest UT fan on this board, and I think it would be a terrible idea.

At a more basic level, are we really turning in to the type of fandom where fans are expected to know every obscure references, including covers from 25+ years ago? Hell, even I could not tell you who painted that cover.


Dom
-does not need to have comics whose main purpose is to be a reminder about all of those great comics from yesteryear.