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No, O6 would be wrong. DC has already announced Green Lantern isn't going to be effected like that with the relaunch. And having just read Green Lantern #67 that came out today, there is good reason why they only just revealed that cover. It's actually a development leading into the relaunch, not a result of a reboot.
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...But you just know it's so he can turn evil again. Seriously. It's a waiting game. Like, "When are they bringing back Johnny Storm?" "How long before Steve Rogers is Captain America again?"
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Onslaught Six wrote:...But you just know it's so he can turn evil again. Seriously. It's a waiting game. Like, "When are they bringing back Johnny Storm?" "How long before Steve Rogers is Captain America again?"
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That's the thing, though, it *isn't* a problem. Barry Allen and Hal Jordan aren't exactly the first Flash and Green Lantern, after all.
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Onslaught Six wrote:...But you just know it's so he can turn evil again. Seriously. It's a waiting game. Like, "When are they bringing back Johnny Storm?" "How long before Steve Rogers is Captain America again?"
You haven't been reading Green Lantern. Starting back with The Sinestro Corps War, the way Johns writes Sinestro is more complex than 'he's a bad guy so he's evil'. Rather, he's been shown that he actually still cares about protecting the universe but he has different ideals about how to accomplish that. Sinestro's motivation for starting the Sinestro Corps War for example was revealed that he wanted to force the Guardians to enable the Green Lanterns to be able to kill because he felt they'd be more effective as a police force if people feared them. The solicitations for Green Lantern #2 also calls Sinestro a "renegade Green Lantern", suggesting he wont be following orders. It's not a question of Sinestro "turning evil" but how long he'll be a Green Lantern again.
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Sparky Prime wrote:
Onslaught Six wrote:...But you just know it's so he can turn evil again. Seriously. It's a waiting game. Like, "When are they bringing back Johnny Storm?" "How long before Steve Rogers is Captain America again?"
You haven't been reading Green Lantern. Starting back with The Sinestro Corps War, the way Johns writes Sinestro is more complex than 'he's a bad guy so he's evil'. Rather, he's been shown that he actually still cares about protecting the universe but he has different ideals about how to accomplish that. Sinestro's motivation for starting the Sinestro Corps War for example was revealed that he wanted to force the Guardians to enable the Green Lanterns to be able to kill because he felt they'd be more effective as a police force if people feared them. The solicitations for Green Lantern #2 also calls Sinestro a "renegade Green Lantern", suggesting he wont be following orders. It's not a question of Sinestro "turning evil" but how long he'll be a Green Lantern again.
He's already turned evil. How many people has Sinestro killed? How many planets have he and his corp terrorized? But it's been clear for some time that Johns would rather write about him than Hal Jordan, so I'm not surprised at this development. And to be fair, it could be interesting. I won't prejudge it, but if Sinestro isn't treated like the genuine killer and renegade that he is, despite the fact that he's a GL again, I'm going to cry foul. The character is, simply put, beyond redemption.
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andersonh1 wrote:He's already turned evil. How many people has Sinestro killed? How many planets have he and his corp terrorized?
I wasn't saying Sinestro hadn't turned evil, but just that the way Johns writes him is more complex than that. He shows Sinestro more through the concept that the villain isn't going to see themselves and their actions as evil. As I said, in Sinestro's own twisted way, he's been trying to make Green Lanterns what he considers to be a better police force.

And you're right. Sinestro's idea of policing the universe is through fear and dictatorship. That's how he handled his duty as a Green Lantern, and why he was kicked out in the first place, so that 'evil side' to his character has always been there. Not to mention all his actions with a yellow power ring, all those he's killed and the damage his Corps has caused. Just being a Green Lantern again wont redeem him and it doesn't mean his actions in that uniform will be 'good' ones.
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Sparky Prime wrote:I wasn't saying Sinestro hadn't turned evil, but just that the way Johns writes him is more complex than that. He shows Sinestro more through the concept that the villain isn't going to see themselves and their actions as evil.
I completely agree with that. He's a far more interesting character than he was before, and more dimensional. If Johns would spend half the time working on Hal's character in the same way he's beefed up Sinestro, it would be nice.

Green Lantern 67

The "final" issue of the current run (I assume) before DC's "please notice us and buy our books!!" line-wide renumbering hits. I hate first issues. I'm sick of #1s. If it wasn't for the fact that Green Lantern is apparently going to be one of the least affected relaunch books, I'd be tempted to see this as a good jumping-off point, just for that.

"War of the Green Lanterns" is a story with some bad plotting. It started well with a great premise, then went downhill with some repetitious storytelling, too-easy point A to B plotting, and a pointless death and disfiguring. But it picks up and ends well and decisively with this final chapter, as the Green Lantern Corps fight Krona and the possessed Guardians. Hal does what he couldn't do before (and it's not explained how he can manage it) and kills Krona with the energy of his Green Lantern ring, which is finally a step too far for the Guardians, who strip him of his ring and send him back to Earth. It's revealed the the rings are programmed not to harm a Guardian, and they are disturbed that Hal has enough willpower to overcome that limitation.

And then of course, as has already been mentioned, Sinestro is chosen by a ring to be a Green Lantern again. I'm skeptical, and maybe Mogo was killed just to facilitate this story twist. Time will tell whether it was worth it or not. I had wondered where Sinestro's sudden regret that he was no longer a Lantern came from an issue or so ago when he was trapped and dreaming of his former life as a Lantern. And this issue he's suddenly willing to die for the Corps? After he's spent years attacking them and killing Green Lanterns? Where in the world did this come from? I know Geoff Johns is clearly fond of the character, who gets more character development than Hal Jordan, the ostensible star of the series, but this has come out of left field.

We'll see how this turns out in future. I'm dubious, but curious to see where Hal and the Corps go from here.
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Sparky Prime wrote:
andersonh1 wrote:He's already turned evil. How many people has Sinestro killed? How many planets have he and his corp terrorized?
I wasn't saying Sinestro hadn't turned evil, but just that the way Johns writes him is more complex than that. He shows Sinestro more through the concept that the villain isn't going to see themselves and their actions as evil. As I said, in Sinestro's own twisted way, he's been trying to make Green Lanterns what he considers to be a better police force.

And you're right. Sinestro's idea of policing the universe is through fear and dictatorship. That's how he handled his duty as a Green Lantern, and why he was kicked out in the first place, so that 'evil side' to his character has always been there. Not to mention all his actions with a yellow power ring, all those he's killed and the damage his Corps has caused. Just being a Green Lantern again wont redeem him and it doesn't mean his actions in that uniform will be 'good' ones.
Damn, I might actually wanna read this. Maybe. I really do like stories that tell the villain's side of things and the logic behind what they're doing. Especially in a situation where it''s like their heart is in the right place but their head is up their ass sort of thing.
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andersonh1 wrote:Hal does what he couldn't do before (and it's not explained how he can manage it) and kills Krona with the energy of his Green Lantern ring, which is finally a step too far for the Guardians, who strip him of his ring and send him back to Earth. It's revealed the the rings are programmed not to harm a Guardian, and they are disturbed that Hal has enough willpower to overcome that limitation.
Don't forget the Guardians were also in the process of charging Hal with treason for working with the members of the other Corps and trying to keep his activity secret just as the 'War of the Green Lanterns' storyline started. Between that kind of defiance of the Guardians orders and proving himself to be a threat to them in killing Krona, Hal must represent the Guardians nightmare of what a rouge Green Lantern can really do.
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