Hasbro's Masterpiece Rodimus Prime

[JediTricks]

So it is a larger Matrix? I was wondering about that. I didn't think it looked like the same one shown with Takara's version.

It's the Matrix from the MP01 Optimus Prime, no less.

I'd likely buy a Scourge repaint of Generations Generation 2 Optimus Prime, but I wouldn't be too fussed about the name. I mean, no one exploded when they named the Straxus toy 'Darkmount' right? I thought we all understood Hasbro just does what they can, and once the toy's out of the box, you can call it whatever the hell you want. Freaking out and throwing a fit because your personal favorite name isn't on a toy's packaging seems just a little out there, even for this hobby.

True enough, but it seems like the kind of screwup we've been seeing way too many of from Hasbro lately. "Scourge" was an awesome release, really had impact, and afterwards we got a number of "Nemesis Prime" releases that had no impact because of the implication of that name. It shouldn't matter, but it does a little. There are too many damned Primes lately.

MAYBE the smaller matrix will be tucked away inside the inner chest cavity. when one transforms the toy perhaps they'll find the smaller matrix inside the inner chest cavity.

Perhaps the bigger matrix will fit inside the inner chest cavity. maybe it'll just fit inside their. or maybe hasbro/takara has re-modified/re-molded the inner chest cavity to make the bigger matrix fit inside the inner chest cavity.

either way i've got the first release takara MP Rodimus Prime toy with the smaller matrix. If I wanted I could swap it back & forth between the hasbro & takara versions of MP Rodimus Prime.

A buddy of mine has the Japanese release, tried his OP Matrix in there, no fit. I doubt they'd alter the inner chest just to hold the larger one.

[Sparky Prime]

It's the Matrix from the MP01 Optimus Prime, no less.

You sure? The pictures I've seen, the Matrix with Rodimus actually looks to be more detailed to look like it did in TFTM than the one that came with MP-01. The crystal in the middle for example looks to have a more of a rounded jagged shape to it where as the one that came with Optimus was flattened.

[Onslaught Six]

I'd likely buy a Scourge repaint of Generations Generation 2 Optimus Prime, but I wouldn't be too fussed about the name. I mean, no one exploded when they named the Straxus toy 'Darkmount' right? I thought we all understood Hasbro just does what they can, and once the toy's out of the box, you can call it whatever the hell you want. Freaking out and throwing a fit because your personal favorite name isn't on a toy's packaging seems just a little out there, even for this hobby.

True enough, but it seems like the kind of screwup we've been seeing way too many of from Hasbro lately. "Scourge" was an awesome release, really had impact, and afterwards we got a number of "Nemesis Prime" releases that had no impact because of the implication of that name. It shouldn't matter, but it does a little. There are too many damned Primes lately.

My thing is, if Hasbro had simply named Scourge "Nemesis Prime" in the first place, none of us would have batted an eye, and probably would be more interested in later Nemmy Prime toys simply because of the connotation. Because Scourge was an actual good character.

[Tigermegatron]

I'd likely buy a Scourge repaint of Generations Generation 2 Optimus Prime, but I wouldn't be too fussed about the name. I mean, no one exploded when they named the Straxus toy 'Darkmount' right? I thought we all understood Hasbro just does what they can, and once the toy's out of the box, you can call it whatever the hell you want. Freaking out and throwing a fit because your personal favorite name isn't on a toy's packaging seems just a little out there, even for this hobby.

True enough, but it seems like the kind of screwup we've been seeing way too many of from Hasbro lately. "Scourge" was an awesome release, really had impact, and afterwards we got a number of "Nemesis Prime" releases that had no impact because of the implication of that name. It shouldn't matter, but it does a little. There are too many damned Primes lately.

My thing is, if Hasbro had simply named Scourge "Nemesis Prime" in the first place, none of us would have batted an eye, and probably would be more interested in later Nemmy Prime toys simply because of the connotation. Because Scourge was an actual good character.

Maybe Hasbro can meet both TF fan camps down the middle & call the toy the following different names: (1) Nemesis Scourge (2) Dark Prime,to please the takara buying TF fans. (3)Nemesis Convoy,a combination of USA & Japan names. (4) Optimus Scourge (5) Scourgimus Prime.

[Shockwave]

And... sort of bringing this thread back on topic, BBTS has a listing for Black Rodimus Prime. Great, now Hot Rod is getting the "Optimus" treatment (ie; constantly being repainted black, white, whatever...). Ugh. Did we really need an evil Hot Rod?

[Gomess]

Black Rodimus is back?? Fantastic. I hope he gets another amazing backstory.

[Dominic]

I can't believe I'M making the context argument, where's Dom when we need him?

Milk, milk, lemonde. I like how you smell when you are afraid.

The recent repurposing fad is kind of getting to me, if only because I realize it's going to create some *serious* headaches at later stages of the fandom.

-Black Convoy AKA RID Scourge.
-Binaltech Black Convoy, released in the US as Nemesis Prime.
-Nucleon Quest Super Convoy, who is Convoy.
-THS-02b, who is also Convoy.
-Armada Nemesis Prime, who Japan called...um. Scourge. Yeah.
-Superlink had Grand Scourge, who is (I guess) supposed to be an upgrade of Scourge, who is Armada Nemesis Prime. At this point I'm still unwilling to call them the same because Armada Nemesis is clearly a different guy.
-Nemesis Prime who is black alternate universe Big Convoy, and the only time the mould was released in the US. Apparently this guy is the same guy as Alternity Black Convoy, or Convoy Super Black. Stupid fucking Alternity.
-Universe SDCC Nemesis Prime, who's a repaint of Classics Prime. Wasn't released in Japan, so who cares.
-Nova Prime from IDW who is Nova Prime.
-Animated Nemesis who is some random-ass black Prime repaint. He was released in Japan only as "Convoy black ver." and repurposed as Nemesis. Ugh.

It gets worse though. Originally, "Nemesis Prime" was intended to be the name for "fell Primes" and "Scourge" was a "failed Prime" of some sort. The first was meant to be unholy, the second was any sort of failed Prime (RiD Scourge being an example).

That became steadily more muddied over the the years, even if we ignore Takara's lax standards on consistency.

IDW's Nemesis Prime is aguably an example of both types. He is corrupted by the Eye of Ter, (dammit), Dead Universe. But, he was a legitimate Prime at one point. He could credibly be called a Scourge.

Similarly, if we use Hasbro's origional standard, SDCC08 Nemesis Prime's bio describes a "Scourge" more than it decribes a "Nemesis Prime".


Dom
-was so offended by the Japanese MP Hotrod that the American one seems like poison.

[Tigermegatron]

And... sort of bringing this thread back on topic, BBTS has a listing for Black Rodimus Prime. Great, now Hot Rod is getting the "Optimus" treatment (ie; constantly being repainted black, white, whatever...). Ugh. Did we really need an evil Hot Rod?

Personally,I liked my Idea better. My idea was to repaint MP-09 Rodimus into CR/RID Speedbreaker/sideburn blue+white+red flames colors. The idea made sense to me based off the following: (1) Fire & ICE color varaitaions are awesome. Rodimus's color is mainly fire colors. CR/RID Speedbreakers colors are mainly ice colors. (2) I noticed that in CR/RID Speedbreaker/sideburn is mainly the rodimus persona in the Rid alternate universe/reality. similar to how AEC Hotshot was suspose to be the rodimus+bumblebee fusion persona in the AEC alternate universe/reality. (3) I'm not a fan of black repaints when they have no real purpose/meaning/specialness.

Ofcause I would have opted for the following changes for the MP-09 Sideburn/speedbreaker repaint like as follows: (1) 2 different robot head sculpts. for the younger version keep the hotrod face but tweak the eye. for the older version with the matrix give the face a face plate. (2) newer accessories & weapons.

WHAT WOULD THE STORY BE? CR/RID optimus got old or heavily damaged or had to go away on a mission. while CR/RID Optimus is away/healing/whatever,he gives the matrix to CR/RID Speedbreaker to be the temporary leader while he's away/healing/whatever.

What would the leader name of speedbreaker be called: takara could call him the hasbro name Sideburn as a nod to usa/uk fans. or perhaps call him breakimus prime.

Breakimus Prime says: "i'll break you in half if you get in my way decepticons scum."

Or in true micheal bay movie verse optimus prime style.

Breakimus prime says: "I'll break your face."

[Onslaught Six]

WHAT WOULD THE STORY BE? CR/RID optimus got old or heavily damaged or had to go away on a mission. while CR/RID Optimus is away/healing/whatever,he gives the matrix to CR/RID Speedbreaker to be the temporary leader while he's away/healing/whatever.

...This is the dumbest idea I've 'ever' heard. Speedbreaker was a young asshole who had *no* leadership potential, at all. He has no reason to ascend to being a Prime. If anyone would get Fire Convoy's Matrix Shard, it'd be God Magnus.

[Gomess]

WHAT WOULD THE STORY BE? CR/RID optimus got old or heavily damaged or had to go away on a mission. while CR/RID Optimus is away/healing/whatever,he gives the matrix to CR/RID Speedbreaker to be the temporary leader while he's away/healing/whatever.

...This is the dumbest idea I've 'ever' heard. Speedbreaker was a young asshole who had *no* leadership potential, at all. He has no reason to ascend to being a Prime. If anyone would get Fire Convoy's Matrix Shard, it'd be God Magnus.

Is there some unwritten Transformers law that the Symbol of Leadership always has to be passed on to the undeserving hotheaded kid?

GIve it to X-Brawn. X-Brawnimus Prime.