What do we have from G1 with this line?

[Shockwave]

I don't care for CHUG, but CUGHURTS is kind of funny.

Which is why I arranged it that way. Good to know someone gets my humor

[JediTricks]

I can see the brutish proportions, but the hands are pretty standard hands. Oh well, to each his own I guess. Really it was the head and chest that made me think "CHUG" (like the segway?) The H is for Henkei. Classics, Henkei, Universe, Generations, and now United (so I guess that's updated to CHUGU). Or if we wanna be really tricky: Classics Universe Generations Henkei United Reveal The Shield (CUGHURTS). CHUG is more accepted term though (at least on TFW).

The hands are flat with 2 large fingers and a thumb the same shape just set higher and further back. The head is definitely related, especially in colors other than the original Longarm's.

Ah, I see, Henkei, ok. I won't bring up Gentei since I guess it's an exclusive subline of that, your CUGHURTS wouldn't be funny with it

Tough cookies; there's plenty of Ironhides out there. What about other really good toys from years past? What about Magnaboss, or Tripredacus, or Polar Claw? Why is Ironhide special, why does he get a rerelease?

Oh, is Beast Wars still an ongoing comic series? Is it being referred to in every piece of new fiction the way G1 is? No? Then that's why we're not seeing those guys. Classics Ironhide is special in that he's a major player but his figure hasn't been seen in a while and the existing one is fraught with problems that deserve fixing - I got mine out recently and had forgotten that his design has his head not fully deploying because of incorrect designs or tolerances in 3 separate locations. Also, the red paint on the top has gotten sticky, similar to Classics Prowl but worse because it's thicker paint so it gets pocked.

And yeah, the painted back windows sucked--but I said the altmodes were terrible anyway. I bought those guys for the robot modes.

These are Transformers, altmodes matter in the greater scope.

That'd be dumb. I hate it when people try to shoehorn combiner aspects into guys who completely weren't fucking combiners. It's like the people that say the Dinobots should combine. They don't! They...they just *don't!*

You're dumb! The original 5 Dinobots don't, but there are new ones who do. The movie Insecticons were supposed to combine but they dropped that aspect the way they dropped Arcee's combining. The G1 Insecticons are blocky and plain and don't really do enough to warrant a big push on their own without new ideas. I can't see anything about the G1 originals and their features warranting that kind of use of budget (clones don't count as a big feature in this case since a toy can't do it anyway), so I figure combining is something we haven't seen insects do since early Beast era, and haven't seen robo-insects do ever, it's a new feature that can be something to draw in more attention and thus justify budget.

We've had brutes in TF well before Bay came along. Maybe you can make a case for the lower legs, but there's nothing particularly different about his hands.

Oh, and Hoist was one of those brutes? No? And where are there notable brutes in G1-era characters? I can't think of any to hang your argument for. And I've already made my points about the hands a few paragraphs up, but I'll restate: The hands are flat with 2 large fingers and a thumb the same shape just set higher and further back.

I dunno, I never had an issue. Maybe the friction on mine was just good.

Could you check? I am wondering if you are mis-remembering or if something else is going on. With mine, the parts don't have corresponding tolerances for it, the square molding on the hand is bigger than the gun's square, it was the screw that coupled them.

Man, I hate the CHUG acronym, I'm really disappointed it caught on. It just sounds dumb. (Then again, I'm the same with "Unicron Trilogy.")

I'm not in love with either, which is why I use "Classics" to denote the style since it stands out well for itself and is the genesis of the concept. And the UT I think of only as semi-related in story and design, so I just refer to each line individually.