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[Sparky Prime]

Atrocitus kills people and uses their blood and bones to 'divine' answers from 'the universe', or whatever. Killing innocents seems evil enough to me. I don't dispute that they have a legitimate grievance with the Guardians, but that doesn't excuse his behavior.

I'm not so sure Atrocitus killed innocents for that ritual. Ysmault was a prison planet, so the people he killed for the ritual there were likely criminals. Not that killing them is his call to make, but their innocents is still in question. Although, he does also make it a point to mention he deferred to Earth's laws by protecting innocents from criminals to use lethal force against, suggesting perhaps he has killed innocents before...


Interesting to hear JMS had mapped out the canon post-OMD. Too bad Marvel is being run by an idiot who didn't think they needed to explain anything...

[andersonh1]

Atrocitus kills people and uses their blood and bones to 'divine' answers from 'the universe', or whatever. Killing innocents seems evil enough to me. I don't dispute that they have a legitimate grievance with the Guardians, but that doesn't excuse his behavior.

I'm not so sure Atrocitus killed innocents for that ritual. Ysmault was a prison planet, so the people he killed for the ritual there were likely criminals. Not that killing them is his call to make, but their innocents is still in question. Although, he does also make it a point to mention he deferred to Earth's laws by protecting innocents from criminals to use lethal force against, suggesting perhaps he has killed innocents before...

I agree that it wasn't his place to execute even criminals, but that aside, he didn't just kill people on Ysmault though. In the Secret Origins arc, he mortally wounded Abin Sur, and then killed some humans in order to find out where William Hand was located. So he's certainly taken innocent lives before for his own purposes.

[Dominic]

Sur would be a legitimate target. (He worked for the Guardians.) The people would be contingent on context.

Interesting to hear JMS had mapped out the canon post-OMD. Too bad Marvel is being run by an idiot who didn't think they needed to explain anything...

I think Joe Q was more focused on getting Spiderman back to the way it was in the 70s than "making it work". I am not saying this was a good idea. But, all things considered, JMS was wasting his time.


Dom
-figures the whole mess could have been avoiding by not printing OMD.

[138 Scourge]

Wow, something else that was what killed Abin Sur? So this is, what, three or four things that have killed him now?

Lesse...died trying to save Krypton, then when the spaceship he'd made hit earth's radiation belts (invisible yellow radiation, I guess). Then Legion, then Atrocitus.

Unless Atrocitus is Legion, which I'm sort of doubting. Isn't he one of those critters from that time Alan Moore wrote a GLC story thirty years ago? Which I guess would tie in with the third reason for Abin Sur dying. Well, either way.

[andersonh1]

Sur would be a legitimate target. (He worked for the Guardians.)

It wasn't the Lanterns that wiped out his sector, it was the Manhunters. So a grievance with the Guardians didn't give Atrocitus license to kill Green Lanterns. They had nothing to do with it. Atrocitus attacked Abin Sur in order to escape in the same way that an inmate being transported to a new prison might try to kill a prison guard in order to escape while en route.

The people would be contingent on context.

There's no context that justifies the murder of innocent people. They were out camping, and Atrocitus came across them and slaughtered them, using their organs to 'divine' Hand's location. There's nothing that can even remotely justify that.

Wow, something else that was what killed Abin Sur? So this is, what, three or four things that have killed him now?

Yeah, that's a retcon for ya. I know that Emerald Dawn has been retconned away, so I'm guessing the events with Legion didn't happen in quite the same way.

[Sparky Prime]

I agree that it wasn't his place to execute even criminals, but that aside, he didn't just kill people on Ysmault though. In the Secret Origins arc, he mortally wounded Abin Sur, and then killed some humans in order to find out where William Hand was located. So he's certainly taken innocent lives before for his own purposes.

Oh right, he killed those campers to find Hand during that story... I thought I was forgetting something but I wasn't thinking about before he was a Red Lantern.

I think Joe Q was more focused on getting Spiderman back to the way it was in the 70s than "making it work". I am not saying this was a good idea. But, all things considered, JMS was wasting his time.

JMS was being a good writer by mapping it out, regardless of if Marvel used it or not. I'd say Marvel could use more writers like that since their EiC doesn't seem interested in basic story mechanics like actually "making it work" or explaining anything.

[Dominic]

Joe Q is a business man. He is less concerned with making it work for fans than with making the "Spider-Man" books marketable. It would not matter if Marvel had "more writers like that" because Joe Q is *actively* making Marvel what it is.

This is not a question of Joe Q being negligent so much as it is a question of Joe Q making decisions you happen to not like. (I may not like OMD. But, objectively, Joe Q is doing what he set out to do. He has a plan.)

Oh right, he killed those campers to find Hand during that story... I thought I was forgetting something but I wasn't thinking about before he was a Red Lantern.

Quoted for unintentional hilarity. "Oh, those people Atrocitus killed...."

And yeah, killing random campers is pretty well out of bounds.

As far as Abin Sur goes, the scale of what the Manhunters did more or less justifies going after their successors. (The Guardians do not use conscription. It is entirely possible to say "no thanks" when a ring appears. And, it is not unreasonable to assume that somebody is going to try to kill you if you take one.)


Dom
-nothing this week. Nothing for 2 weeks in a row.

[Onslaught Six]

-nothing this week. Nothing for 2 weeks in a row.

Actually, nothing new hit yet. Tomorrow is New Comic Day. The holiday, and all.

Ironhide #3 comes out, and it's finally starting to look interesting!

Spoiler

Alpha Trion! And Ironhide doesn't know who he is, because he's been entirely out of the universe so far!

[andersonh1]

Yeah, comics are a day late this week due to the Independence Day holiday. I'm picking up Ironhide #3 tomorrow. Brightest Day #5 is out, and the first issue of a Batman mini-series is out tomorrow, with Neal Adams drawing Batman for the first time in years. I may well give that book a shot just because of the art.

Ironhide #3 comes out, and it's finally starting to look interesting!

Spoiler

Alpha Trion! And Ironhide doesn't know who he is, because he's been entirely out of the universe so far!

I'd say it's been interesting the whole time. But yeah, it's pretty funny that

Spoiler

Alpha Trion

announces himself, and Ironhide isn't the least bit impressed. Doesn't have a clue who he is.

[Dominic]

Ah hell. I almost missed "Ironhide" #3. I will not have a chance to pick it up tomorrow.

Dom
-has a subscription...probably.