thoughts on the Beast-era

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Re: thoughts on the Beast-era

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Onslaught Six wrote:
SynjoDeonecros wrote:how in the hell did you become a moderator on here
Dom is fair and logical and isn't likely to fly off the handle and do drastic moderation stuff. He mods pretty soft-style and rarely takes excessive action. (Not that we need it around here.)

Also, he's our friend. There's really no better reason. And someone's gotta mod the place. :P
So, friendship trumps actual interest in the subject the board is created to discuss, as far as who is a mod on here. Great, I appreciate the professionalism of this place, even more, now *rolls eyes*

Honestly, I'm getting tired of this debate. Let's just agree to disagree and get back to talking about the Beast Era, okay? So...how about them Dinobots, eh? Megatron sure has a fetish for them, doesn't he? I mean, he couldn't have the original, so he created a non-transforming clone in the first season, non-transforming/non-sentient cyber-clones in the second or third season (I forgot which), and Dinobot 2 in the third season. Why is that? Did they ever explain why Megatron keeps choking his throttle over Dinobot? Even outside of canon?
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Because Dinobot was obviously one of his trusted teammates. After all, everybody on the Preds team in BW was. And then Dinobot basically called Megs out for being the crackpot terrorist he was, and that was that. Megs never really got over what happened in BW Part 1.
SynjoDeonecros wrote:So, friendship trumps actual interest in the subject the board is created to discuss, as far as who is a mod on here. Great, I appreciate the professionalism of this place, even more, now *rolls eyes*
If Dom didn't have an interest in TF, he wouldn't be here to begin with. He may not like everything the franchise has put out, but who the hell does? I don't like most of the current IDW comics, or most of Dreamwave for that matter. I think the G1 cartoon is pretty much absolute crap. (This is why I don't own it on DVD.) I think Alternators was a crappy toyline. But I'm still a huge TF fan. To the extent that Onslaught Six is the name and identity I use for 'everything.'
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Re: thoughts on the Beast-era

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Onslaught Six wrote:
SynjoDeonecros wrote:So, friendship trumps actual interest in the subject the board is created to discuss, as far as who is a mod on here. Great, I appreciate the professionalism of this place, even more, now *rolls eyes*
If Dom didn't have an interest in TF, he wouldn't be here to begin with. He may not like everything the franchise has put out, but who the hell does? I don't like most of the current IDW comics, or most of Dreamwave for that matter. I think the G1 cartoon is pretty much absolute crap. (This is why I don't own it on DVD.) I think Alternators was a crappy toyline. But I'm still a huge TF fan. To the extent that Onslaught Six is the name and identity I use for 'everything.'
But you yourself have told me he ISN'T even a "big" fan of the franchise, and thinks most of it is crap, regardless of the franchise. That, combined with his attitude of how fictional media works, in general (which is pretty much the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what Transformers is), and I'm surprised he's even bothering with this site, at all, let alone a moderator on it. I'm sorry, but on a fan forum, I'd prefer a moderator that shows more interest in the subject the forum is built on than "Yeah, it sucks, all of it, now let me go back to listening to my audio books on how to give a good political seminar".
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Put it this way: Would you rather Dom love all aspects of the series and be a horrible moderator, or be a good moderator who finds issue with a lot of the material? I like a bunch of TF material but I know I'm a horrible moderator, because I'm touchy and a douchebag and I step out of line a 'lot.' (I was an administrator on another forum years ago and was not exactly a model example.) Basically, what you're doing is making the argument that Dom is not a "real fan" of TF and that's such a stupidly childish argument that I can't believe I have to defend against it.

And you're leaving out one thing entirely: Transformers is primarily a line of fiction designed to sell toys. And regardless of his thoughts on the fiction, Dom likes a good bunch of the toys. He even makes a lot of customs in his free time. One can hate every single shred of TF fiction but still find enjoyment in the line through the toys, and that's part of what we value. After all--the place is called 'TFViews,' and we actually kind of take that motto seriously. We accept 'all' views on the series, no matter how much we agree or disagree. For example? Sparky Prime hates All Hail Megatron, among other things. I think All Hail Megs is great. But I don't think Sparky is any less of a TF fan for that--or, perhaps more importantly, any less of a 'decent human being,' which is sometimes what it seems like you're accusing Dom of being.

(Similarly, I could point out that some of your opinions are quite contrary to some of the other members here, but we don't exactly go all-out attacking you over it either.)
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Onslaught Six wrote:Put it this way: Would you rather Dom love all aspects of the series and be a horrible moderator, or be a good moderator who finds issue with a lot of the material? I like a bunch of TF material but I know I'm a horrible moderator, because I'm touchy and a douchebag and I step out of line a 'lot.' (I was an administrator on another forum years ago and was not exactly a model example.) Basically, what you're doing is making the argument that Dom is not a "real fan" of TF and that's such a stupidly childish argument that I can't believe I have to defend against it.

And you're leaving out one thing entirely: Transformers is primarily a line of fiction designed to sell toys. And regardless of his thoughts on the fiction, Dom likes a good bunch of the toys. He even makes a lot of customs in his free time. One can hate every single shred of TF fiction but still find enjoyment in the line through the toys, and that's part of what we value. After all--the place is called 'TFViews,' and we actually kind of take that motto seriously. We accept 'all' views on the series, no matter how much we agree or disagree. For example? Sparky Prime hates All Hail Megatron, among other things. I think All Hail Megs is great. But I don't think Sparky is any less of a TF fan for that--or, perhaps more importantly, any less of a 'decent human being,' which is sometimes what it seems like you're accusing Dom of being.

(Similarly, I could point out that some of your opinions are quite contrary to some of the other members here, but we don't exactly go all-out attacking you over it either.)
I'd rather have a good moderator that doesn't condemn most Transformers as shit, and doesn't outright state that most fiction in general is a waste of time. At least my contrary opinions aren't condemning the entire Transformers line and those who are fans of it as useless drivel that are less interesting than a political state of address. Basically, all this guy is saying, is that only Beast Machines and a very scant handful of other titles are worth a damn, for the sole reason that they're based around some political rant, moral, or philosophical dilemma that he can ponder, and if they didn't have that, they'd be just as shit as everything else and he wouldn't even bother with them. I'm sorry, but that's not "a difference in tastes" to me, that's a direct insult to the franchise and its fans. This isn't a matter of being a "true fan", this is a case of him being a moderator of a board of a franchise that he clearly hates, has no interest in, and thinks everyone else is wasting their time fixating on. I wouldn't have even CARED if he liked Beast Machines, and wouldn't have laid into him NEARLY as much as I'm doing, had he just stuck to that. But the moment he started giving his idiotic, backwards-ass drivel on how writing in general SHOULD be done, and you let me know that he felt that way for nearly ALL of the different series in the franchise, I lost all respect for him as a Tranformers "fan", a moderator on here, and if he WASN'T a moderator, I'd block him and get him out of my life on here, in a heartbeat. As a writer myself, I feel insulted by his drivel, and I don't buy that he's got a degree in literature; no literature or creative writing teacher in the world would teach that kind of shit, at all. The only way I can think of to explain how he could possibly have that kind of opinion on fiction in general, is if he lived an intolerably sheltered life where fiction and games were off-limits for being "destructive to his intellect". And I'm not the only one who thinks him crazy for this; Sparky Prime is STILL arguing with him about it, and there's been plenty of others throughout this argument who say the same thing.

I'm sorry, but I don't accept him as a mod on here OR as a TF fan, not with the attitude he has shown, thus far. I'm not going to feel safe with a moderator on here who "does a good job moderating" but only comes on here because he has nothing else to do with his time, rather than out of a genuine love for the franchise, whichever parts it may be. He doesn't like escapism? Boo fucking hoo, that's what Transformers IS; he thinks "over-humanizing" characters is bad? Let's see him explain the fan affection for Waspinator, Rattrap, and Dinobot; he thinks characters should be used as tools and nothing more? Let's see him explain how Sari dodged the Scrappy bullet associated with other human characters in Transformers; he thinks stories aren't good unless they're pushing an author tract? Let's see him explain the popularity of Shattered Glass. Nearly every single thing he claims to hate about fiction is present in Transformers: engaging storyline not usually based around a moral, interesting humanized characters that aren't simply tools to push the story, and a great escape for fans. If he still wants to claim to be a Transformers fan, after this, then I honestly can't see how or why, nor am I going to believe it. As I said, if it was merely a difference in preference for shows, I wouldn't mind - as you say, there's plenty of Transformers franchises for everyone. But he went father than that; he condemned pretty much everything related to Transformers that doesn't fit into his backwards, sterile view of how "fiction' should work that NO ONE ELSE on here agrees with or has even heard of being taught, and by extension condemning the fans for liking it. No, I draw the line there. He's not a Transformers fan, in my opinion, "true" or otherwise, and he's certainly not the kind of person I want to meet IRL and shoot the breeze with, especially if it comes to something related to fiction. And he's not the kind of moderator I want or expect from a site like this. I'm not saying I'd be any better as a mod, with my quick temper, and I'm not even wanting his job, but with the argument I and others have had with him, over the past couple of days, over this shit, it's clear to me that he doesn't have the appreciation or the caring for Transformers in general to make a good mod, on here.
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I like how you completely ignored the part where I said Dom likes the toys and that's likely the primary reason he's at the forum. Do you even own any of the toys? Besides Ravages, I mean.
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Onslaught Six wrote:I like how you completely ignored the part where I said Dom likes the toys and that's likely the primary reason he's at the forum. Do you even own any of the toys? Besides Ravages, I mean.
Oh, yes, I do collect the toys; before I had to move out of my parents' place, I had an entire collection of all of the Beast Wars Transmetal 2 figures, which I wish I could rebuild. I have several Beast Wars Neo toys (mostly the Maximals), a Galaxy Force figure, and both Unicron and Primus. And on several occasions, I've eyed Titanium War Within Optimus Prime, Megabolt Megatron, Classics Astrotrain, Classics Jetfire, several of the new Minicons, and am looking forward to the War for Cybertron figures. So yes, my world doesn't just revolve around Ravage; he's just one of my favorites, and the most expensive figure in my collection (X-9 Jaguar, in case you didn't know; have an entire collection of Transmetal Cheetor molds, with only Botcon Tigatron as the only one missing, but I'm not sweating over that).

And I ignored it, because I didn't believe it; I thought toys of literary inferior works were just as beneath him as the works, themselves. After all, why waste time playing around with G1 Megatron or Armada Sideways when there's political debates you could busy yourself with? Seriously, if he's that uptight about keeping his time and interest in the "real world" and has such a hate for "escapism indulgences", Transformers toys should be just as much an anathema for him as the Transformers shows and comics. And even if that WAS true, he should stick to the conversations about the TOYS and not the SHOWS, as this topic started out as. At the very least, he should've kept his opinion of how creative writing should work to himself, and not use it to bash on the shows he didn't like. As I said, if he likes Beast Machines better than Beast Wars, fine, but I could've done without the insulting diatribe over characters as tools and escapism and artistic indulgences bad and whatnot. I could've handled debating over whether or not Rattrap was being out of character in "The Weakest Component", but not an argument over how stupid "over-humanizing" characters are, or why having villains who do evil just to do evil is the only thing that makes a show preachy.
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That's what Dom says about everything though. I don't see why this is an exception.
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Onslaught Six wrote:That's what Dom says about everything though. I don't see why this is an exception.
...y'know, you're really not helping your case, here. You're just making me loathe him, even more; thanks for letting me know never to talk with him about ANY sort of fiction, if he's going to go on the same diatribe he gave, on here. That just cements his place with me as someone I need to avoid and desperately need a way to block on here. Seriously, if his drivel is pissing me off, when related to Transformers, imagine how much it would piss me off if it comes up in a discussion about Mega Man 10 and the disappointment that they didn't tie the Roboenza virus into the Maverick Virus of the X series, or a debate over whether or not there was ever a good 3D Sonic game, or what the hell Shatner was thinking to make Star Trek V? I don't even think letting him proofread my Japanese alternate history novel would result in anything different, despite the fact that it deals with political issues that Dom so seems to love, right now. Oh, cool, a novel based on the final days of the Tokugawa shogunate and the creation of the Meiji Restoration, that should surely get his attention...no, wait, it humanizes the characters too much, he'd think it's utter shit, my mistake.

I'm sorry, but he's dug his own grave, with me, and I don't think that's going to change, not with his pompous, sterile attitude of "fiction is shit unless it has a moral". It's like someone telling Van Halen that music sucks unless it has a precise tonal frequency and has no lyrics in it, it's not just insulting his love of the genre, it's insulting his livelihood and his knowledge and skill at that genre, as well. It's basically saying that he, his work, and the entire genre he works in is utter fail and he should give it up in favor for more "real" pursuits like politics or evangelicalism. And him calling himself a fan of the franchise his criticizing and condemning, and claiming to have a degree in the very same medium he's also criticizing and condemning, just makes him seem more like an idiot, and makes me less likely to believe it.
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Van Halen sucks, your argument is invalid.
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