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Onslaught Six wrote:I think the length of the series was fine--if it were six issues, we wouldn't have gotten awesome things like Reflector pulling humans apart and then being disappointed that they don't go back together.
So you rather have pointless filler that takes up more than half the story? Because that's basically what it was. And something like that scene could easily be retained as something going on in the background while the important stuff is in the foreground.
Anyway, a *lot* of the stuff the Wiki guys complain about are kinda pointless, and definitely aren't the fault of AHM entirely--for example, the entire section on redesigns. Now we've got *another* series coming with stupidly pointless redesigns, and these ones don't even look cool. Others include AHM not picking up on threads left in Furman's stories, which isn't surprising to me.
If your characters suddenly completely change their appearance (meaning in form rather than artistic style), your audience is going to be left wondering when and why they did that. Especially when some of these characters have passed up their modern forms for something not even in service anymore. McCarthy said they would explain that (for the Seekers at least) but then never did. For the upcoming series, we don't really know anything yet seeing as how it isn't even out yet, so I'd wait to pass judgment on that until actually reading the thing (but at least Figueroa's art is awesome as always).

The points Furman used in his stories that McCarthy ignores is also a significant oversight for continuity. I don't mind that they ignored something like the Magnificence (as I thought it was a lame MacGuffin and that one at least wasn't really very significant to the overall story) but something like the Ultra Energon really should have been addressed (among several other significant points in the continuity). The Energon was the only reason Megatron took a personal interest in the planet in the first place and made it a top priority for it to be conquered (as evidence by Megatron breaking their own rules). Using Earth to allow the Decepticons to just run amok to "savor" the victory over the Autobots is a complete waste. Especially since humans on their own don't offer a real threat, thus aren't really a challenge and as we see don't offer much fun to the Decepticons as they begin to turn on each other. We know they've been conquering other planets across the universe. Certainly one of them would be a better choice to "savor" the victory while they could actually utilize Earth for the Ultra Energon. It just doesn't make sense with how intelligent Megatron is to waste a resource by ignoring it like he does in AHM.
If anything, though, most of this can't be blamed on McCarthy--he had a story to tell, and he told it. It's Tipton, the editor, who's to blame for this. He's the guy who's supposed to make sure what everyone writes meshes together--that's what an editor does.
Perhaps the editor should share in some of the blame but a great deal still falls on the writer. The writer must also be aware of the established continuity in order to make their story work with a continuing story in the first place because it isn't the editors job to completely rewrite the story if it doesn't.

Also, as a point of interest, McCarthy himself said in an interview:
I read everything that had been put out by IDW and there's no disrespect of what Simon's done coming from me. I grew up reading Simon's books and still have those big format TF comics in my back room. There's no way I'm going to spit on anything that man's done.
So as a writer who claims to have read everything IDW has put out on the subject and doesn't want to "spit" on the work the previous writer(s) had developed up to that point, why is it exactly that so much of the stories he wrote doesn't mesh with the established continuity?
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Sparky Prime wrote:So as a writer who claims to have read everything IDW has put out on the subject and doesn't want to "spit" on the work the previous writer(s) had developed up to that point, why is it exactly that so much of the stories he wrote doesn't mesh with the established continuity?
Because he wanted to tell his own story, as opposed to just a continuation of Furman's crappy stories?
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BWprowl wrote:Because he wanted to tell his own story, as opposed to just a continuation of Furman's crappy stories?
If he just wanted to tell his own story, AHM should have been an Evolutions story like "Hearts of Steel" was or a total reboot rather than be in continuity with the rest of the G1 IDW continuity. But again, McCarthy himself said AHM was always supposed to be in continuity and that it was pitched simply to change the direction of the story. So no, he wasn't just telling his own story and if you're writing in a continuity you have to work with that continuity, something he failed to do.
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And it's the editor's job to go, "Hey, Shane, you know there's this thing that doesn't mesh with continuity, right?"

McCarthy is a writer, it is his job to write his story and make sure it's told well.
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Onslaught Six wrote:And it's the editor's job to go, "Hey, Shane, you know there's this thing that doesn't mesh with continuity, right?"

McCarthy is a writer, it is his job to write his story and make sure it's told well.
Again, I did mention that the editor probably should share in some of the blame, however, you seem to be using that as an excuse to try and get McCarthy off the hook here and that just isn't right. You say the job of a writer is to write their story and make sure it's told well? I agree. However, part of making sure the story, that is supposed to be part of an established continuity, is told well is to make sure what they are writing actually works with that established continuity. The job of the editor is more just to double check various points in the writer's work and perhaps make some suggestions to help improve some things.

And again, McCarthy himself said in an interview (as I also mentioned above), that he had read everything IDW put out on the subject before AHM. As such, he shouldn't have needed an editor to remind him of the continuity. As the writer, he should have been well aware of it either way. Goes to show what a poor effort went into the writing of this story when both the writer and editor did such a lackluster job.
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I'd just like to point out that the Sunstreaker story was showing his memories and memories can be faulty, so if it doesn't jive with the rest of the continuity it's not really a problem as that can legitimately be written of as Sunstreaker's faulty memory.
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Shockwave wrote:I'd just like to point out that the Sunstreaker story was showing his memories and memories can be faulty,
That's one possible interpretation of that story. But Sunstreaker remembering the events wrong doesn't make the story any better.
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Ain't that the truth.
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So, comics hauls from the last couple of weeks, cause I've been behind.

Incognito #6: By Brubaker and Phillips. Last issue of a great six-issue story that takes comics back to their pulp roots. Brubaker takes the crime story, adds superpowers, and makes the Supercrime story, and Sean Phillip's artwork is always beautiful. I'll be following these gentlemen over to "Criminal" next month.

The Incredible Hercules#134: by Van Lente, Pak, and Brown. Why'd I call this thread "Comics are Awesome? Largely because I read this book, which confirms that statement twice a month.

Secret Six #13: by Simone and Bryant. Not my favorite issue of this series, but still some great moments. Like the bit that includes the line "Belinda? Bee, it's me. I don't have much time, sweetheart. I wanted to tell you that I love you." In context, this line is darkly hilarious.

Exiles #6: by Parker and Espin. A perfectly good series given the axe before it could even properly hit it's stride. Sigh. Parker's getting to be one of those writers I'll follow most anywhere and rarely be disappointed by, and Espin's art was just beautiful, one of those guys that can pull of cartoony superhero style really well. Ah, well, at least there's roughly forty Avengers books out right now that feature Bendis' writing and art by someone like Lenil Francis Yu or someone like that. Sigh.

Marvel Zombies Return #1: by Van Lente and Dragotta. Okay, I'll admit it, this one, I'm pretty much just buying because of Mr. Van Lente, but still, beats hell outta the first series, anyhow. The fact that the entire story leads to a panel that homages the "Spider Man No More" cover scores some points. Also, the fact that this issue reads like some sort of grotesque parody of "Not Brand Ecccchhh" or the like makes me enjoy it a lil' more. Plus, the fate of non-zombie Spidey in this book is just disturbing.

Agents of Atlas #10: by Parker, Hardman, and Panosian. Adventure! Really, that's the best word to describe this book. And this issue focuses on the friendship between the man who's been transformed into an immortal gorilla and the retro-styled "Menacer" robot. So yeah, I pretty much love this.

Invincible Iron Man #17: by Fraction and LaRocca. The "World's Most Wanted" storyline has been going on for almost a damn year now! This issue: Flowers for Algernon with powered armor. I'm curious to see if Fraction stays with this book after "Dark Reign" and "World's Most Wanted" are done.
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"Marvel Zombies" is one of those things that I avoid at all costs. I truly hate Robert Kirkman for even starting this thing.

At least guys like Bendis and Millar give us stuff like "Powers" or "Red Sun". Kirkman gives us nothing worth reading, even after somebody else takes it over.

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