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Season 3 episode 8
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Booker gets a distress call from his homeworld, which is deep in Emerald Chain territory. Discovery goes to help them out. Meanwhile, the leader of the Emerald Chain isn't happy about events from 2 episodes ago, and also heads to the planet looking to capture Booker and his Andorian friend. Discovery tries to keep the Federation/Starfleet neutral in the conflict by using Booker's ship to attack the Orion ship instead (which Book and Burnham can see clearly fighting from the planet's surface, like the ships are at a fairly low altitude, despite they're are actually in orbit and shouldn't appear to them as anything more than a tiny spec in the sky at best), but the Emerald Chain leader (rightfully) blames the Federation/Starfleet anyway.

They have also pinpointed the source of The Burn to a nebula, and there is a signal coming from the center of it, highly distorted, which turns out to be music they've all heard from various places since coming to the future (suggesting there might be something subliminal about it?). Saru is able to pick something out in the lower frequencies of the music, which they're able to identify as more distortion caused by a nearby neutron star. They're able to isolate the original signal which they're now able to identify as a Federation distress call. It'll take them a few hours to decode.

And meanwhile, they're able to convince Georgiou to get checked out as her blackouts seem to be getting worst. During the scans however, she has an episode, and starts to... "glitch out"? (I guess the Discovery writers saw "Into the Spiderverse")
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In the sneak peek for next weeks episode...
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The mysterious character that debriefed Georgiou several episodes ago returns to talk to Dr. Culber about Georgiou's condition. He opens a classified file on a Betelgeusian time soldier named Yor (who is shown wearing an early TNG era uniform) from the temporal war. He explains they discovered time travel can make people sick, because molecules are designed to function in the era they're originally from and fight to return to where they belong (we saw in an episode of Voyager, using a temporal transporter too many times could cause temporal psychosis, but besides that, we've never heard of time travel making people sick in Star Trek). But Yor was also from a parallel universe "created by the temporal incursion of a Romulan mining ship" (so I guess they are aware of the Kelvin universe) that experienced effects similar to what Georgiou is going through now. Apparently the effect is a lot worst for individuals that have not only travelled through time, but crossed dimensions as well (so, why didn't it effect the Romulans and Spock when they ended up in the Kelvin universe when that was both a time travel and dimension crossing for them...?).
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Some tidbits from season 3 episode 9...
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Part of the distress call from the origin of The Burn is revealed. It was a ship of Kelpiens who were investigating a possible dilithium nursery within the nebula when they became stranded. A ship was on its way to save them, but they never arrived and the Kelpiens hadn't heard anything since. With the ship still transmitting the distress call on a loop after all these years, Saru orders the crew to find out what's happening onboard, Stamets says they can use the prefix code to get access to the ships systems. Saru also decides not to inform the Admiral until they have more information.

Meanwhile, the Sphere Data points the crew to a planet with a 5% chance of curing Georgiou (how would the Sphere Data know this, and how come it doesn't offer up any details beyond 'go here to maybe cure her'? Also, apparently jumping to alternate universes was outlawed by the Temporal Accords along with time travel). They go, and in the middle of an empty field a man suddenly appears from no where named Carl (a character that doesn't give straight answers) dressed in Victorian era clothes reading a newspaper (which he says is tomorrows news with a headline that Georgiou is dead) and a door out in the middle of an empty field of snow. Georgiou goes through the door and the episode essentially becomes a Mirroruniverse episode, with Georgiou reliving events from her past. But she is able to alter events, this time around sparring mirror Burnham's life but kills mirror Stamets after their plot to kill her fails.

I think the writers are just stalling to drag out the plot at this point. It's odd to see investigating the Burn was the characters primary concern only a couple episodes ago, but now that they're actually making some headway, they've barely even touched upon the subject in the last two episodes. It also seems odd they're doing a two part Mirroruniverse episode at this point. How exactly is reliving/changing her past exactly supposed to cure Georgiou? And while characters with seemingly magical abilities isn't completely foreign to Star Trek.... Somehow they've managed to make that feel really out of place too.
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Season 3 episode 10
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Turns out "Carl" is actually the Guardian of Forever. He explains that during the Temporal Wars, people tried to use him to kill each other, so he moved to another planet to hide himself (and I guess can manifest himself in different ways now?). Burnham reasons only the Sphere Data with 1000 years of history and access to current Federation Databases could have extrapolated his new location (uh, ok, that's a weak explanation, and it doesn't explain why the Sphere Data would say there was a 5% chance it could cure her).

Georgiou is still dying after she returns from her experience in the mirror universe. "Carl" explains this was never supposed to cure her, he no longer just allows people to go back in time anymore. This experience was supposed to "weigh" her, to see if her time in this universe had changed her. Georgiou feels she failed this test, given she still ended up killing mirrorBurnham in the end, but "Carl" points out this time she tried for peace, and she saved a Kelpien who will go on to save many more. "Carl" gives her a second chance. Georgiou says she doesn't want to return to the mirror universe, but he explains he is just sending her back in time, to when the mirror universe and this universe were still aligned so she wont die from her molecules fighting to go back.

This also, unsurprisingly, contradicts TOS... When Kirk asked the Guardian if it could change the speed in which it showed them the past, it explained it was made to offer the past in that manner only, and couldn't change. Yet in Discovery, it is able to send Georgiou to a specific place in time, for which she could go through the portal whenever she was ready to? More than that, it doesn't even show a "preview" of where the time portal leads anymore, it's just a generic energy tunnel effect. It's also unclear what the mirror universe it'd sent Georgiou to was. "Carl" gave a vague answer about people having many different selves, and only offering that her biosensor having 3 months worth of data to indicate it actually happened, despite Burnham saying she never even left.

I gather they also altered the opening credit for this episode... Sorta. Remember the two mirror universe episodes from Enterprise with a military themed opening rather than the usual development of technology and exploration? Well this wasn't that. Discovery just inverted the colors and flipped everything upside down. I mean, on the one hand it's kinda nice they did something different, but on the other, it once again shows how lazy these creators are by doing the least amount of work.
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Episode 11
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Discovery finally goes to the nebula to investigate the origins of The Burn. While the original crew would be long dead by now, Saru believes the captain was pregnant when she sent the distress call (apparently what other crewmembers took to be radiation burns on her face just so happens to also be a sign a Kelpien is pregnant), whose child may still be alive after 100 years....

The away team finds a damaged holographic environment, (one of the holograms has elements from all sorts of different Starfleet uniforms before shorting out, it also makes Burnham look like a Trill, the Doctor looks like a Bajoran, and Saru looks human... for some reason. How is all of this even still working after 100 years with no maintenance and all the while degrading from the radiation?) on the crashed ship on a Y class planet. There they find Su’Kal, a simple minded Kelpien (I guess because he was raised by malfunctioning holograms. And shouldn't he be well over 100 if that's when The Burn happened? He seems no older than Saru) and doesn't understand people coming from outside world.

The crew suspects Su'Kal has survived because the radiation in the nebula/planet mutated him in the womb. There is also some sort of monster that is a holographic manifestation of Su'Kal's fears, and when he becomes stressed out enough, Su'Kal emits an energy pulse... that destabilizes dilithium. He is the source of The Burn (how does this make any sense? Mutant or not, how can a person emit an energy pulse like that? Why does it seem to only effect dilithium specifically. How can that pulse encompass the entire galaxy within seconds? And he hasn't gotten upset like that again in the past 100 years?)

Discovery is revealed to have a cloaking device (I guess at some point the Treaty of Algeron became null after the fall of the Romulan Empire) which they use when the Emerald Chain arrives. But they are disabled when the energy pulse from Su'Kal hits them, Book goes to save the away team in his ship but Discovery to be captured by the Orions.

The name of this episode was originally "The Citadel", but they renamed it "Su'Kal".
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Episode 12
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The Emerald Chain ship attacks the captured Discovery on the way to Federation HQ (because apparently the spore drive on Discovery can jump another ship along with it. Wouldn't that have come in handy before? Why is this the first time we've seen them spore jump with another ship?). Although the Admiral is suspicious, he has no choice but to open the shields to allow Discovery in. Meanwhile, Michael and Booker on his ship use a transwarp corridor (which seems more like the Vaadwaur Underspace corridors at this point, the corridors are full of debris from destroyed ships... Not sure why. Also not sure if I've mentioned this before, but Book's ship is capable of "morphing" as they call it, which means it can separate into several pieces and forms different configurations briefly to navigate obstacles it wouldn't be able to in its normal configuration. It's a cool idea, but it seems impractical for what is already a pretty small ship... And it wouldn't really need this function if it wasn't designed sorta like a B-Wing from Star Wars) to return to HQ only mere minutes after Discovery (isn't the spore drive instantaneous? Even through transwarp, how do they arrive only a few minutes later?) and crash into the Discovery shuttlebay just before the ship enters the shields (odd how Booker's ship got knocked down to a planet when Burnham ran into him at the start of the season, yet the past couple episodes, all sorts of debris has hit his ship causing no damage what so ever).

Surprisingly, Osyraa wants to negotiate uniting the Emerald Chain with the Federation. While the Admiral is open to the idea, he wants Osyraa to stand trial for her crimes, which she refuses to do of course. (Also, during their negotiations, they have a conversation about how replicated food is made from reprocessed waste, broken down to an atomic level to remake it into something else... pretty sure that's how Enterprise explained recycling waste back in the 22nd century, while in the 24th century TNG explained the replicator system as more complex than that, being able to turn matter to energy and vise versa. The Admiral also points out he's never had a real apple, despite having a flying rain forest parked at HQ, not to mention, we have seen starships with hydroponics and arboretums... and yet the ALIEN apparently has had a real apple to know it doesn't taste like the real thing? Also, shouldn't Osyraa already know how replicators work? Why does the Admiral need to explain it to her? And, being the 32nd century, I find it hard to believe the replicators haven't improved on getting the flavors of foods right. Even in the 24th century, Sisko said food from a replicator tasted fine to him, and he was known to cook with real ingredients that he grew himself on occasion)

Burnham goes "Die Hard" (such as teasing the bad guys on the comm, loosing her shoes and having to run around barefoot) through the ship (sometimes forgetting she has a phaser, which materializes from a device on her sleeve. I mean, she puts someone in a sleeper hold and gets stabbed in the leg in the process. Then she pulls out the knife and after crawling down a Jefferies tube while bleeding to death, finally uses the phaser to cauterize the wound... instead of getting a dermal regenerator. Why do all of that when she could have just shot the guy?) and frees Stamets by putting him in a forcefield and detonating a phaser next to a window, blowing him into space, allowing Federation HQ to tractor him inside. He's not happy about this however, once he learns Hugh and Adira (whom Stamets apparently considers to be his child all of a sudden, as he tells one of the Orion scientists trying to figure out the Spore Drive) were left behind in the nebula, and he wants to go rescue them before the radiation kills them (Saru, Hugh and Adira don't appear at all in this episode. You'd think there'd be at least one scene to remind the audience, showing us their health is deteriorating. But no, they just have some dialog telling us about it rather than showing it). The bridge crew also escape (apparently mores code is taught in the first year of the academy... despite always being mentioned as antiquated whenever it has come up before in Star Trek that usually some history buff member of the crew just happens to know) and find out the Sphere data has downloaded into 3 of the the Dot23 droids (which apparently come in the 3 Starfleet division colors, gold, blue and red... So does this mean they carry out different functions based on these colors? We've only seen them making repairs to the ships, why would they need them color coded for every department?) which intends on helping them retake the ship.

Yet another episode to have a late title change... Originally titled "The Good of the People" was renamed to "There is a Tide..."
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CBS has posted some "concept art" (looks more like finished renders to me but whatever) for several of the 32nd century Federation Starships. Some of which gives us our first good looks at the ships, since the show itself hasn't....

Don't really like that the Voyager-J is an "Intrepid Class". It doesn't make sense for this completely different ship design, hundreds of years later, to also be called an Intrepid class. It really should be a new class name, or at the very least have something in the name to distinguish it from the 24th century Intrepid class ship.

Unfortunately, the "Constitution class" (same problem as the "Intrepid") is not among the ships shown, which I was hoping to get a good look at.

I also have to say... I don't like most of these ship designs. Hundreds of years later and new technologies, it makes sense the design aesthetics would change... But I feel for the most part they are too big of a departure from the design lineage we've seen for Starfleet. Even the 29th century USS Relativity that we saw in Voyager, while different aesthetically, still looked like it fit with the design linage we were familiar with, a natural evolution of starship design. But these designs look random, even compared to each other. This USS Maathai for example... It's literally an enclosed forest. There's no discernable nacelles or propulsion. It looks more like a space station, not a starship. I also don't understand why some of these ships aren't in one piece.... They mention in the show the detached nacelles is supposed to make the ship more efficient and maneuverable... although they fail to explain how that makes any sense (and Discovery's nacelles still reattach when they spore jump, I assume they do when at warp as well, although we haven't seen the ship use conventional warp drive since the upgrades). The USS Le Guin seems to take that a step further with the entire engineering hull separated from the primary hull. How does that help ship efficiency and maneuverability? How do they even power both hulls of the ship when I assume they still only have one warp core?
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I don't like them either, and I don't get the detached nacelles. How exactly is that supposed to work?
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They're terrible. But I did like U.S.S. Nog, Eisenberg Class. That's kinda cool.
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Season 3 Finale
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Discovery and the Emerald Chain ship (which is still outside the shield) attack the Federation Fleet (pretty sure an entire Starfleet fleet and a space station should make quick work of these two ships, but for some reason, they don't). When the shield around HQ begins to fail, the Ni'Var arrive, having gotten Burnham's message sent to her mother in the previous episode and sent an entire fleet of their own. Osyraa calls for her ship to release pesticides and target shuttlebays, airlocks and "intakes" (what about this plan makes sense in the vacuum of SPACE and ships that have forcefields? What "intakes" is she even talking about? What would space ships have "intakes" for?), but Burnham convinces her to allow her to talk to the Admiral and gets BOTH fleets to stand down, allowing Discovery and the Emerald Chain ship to leave at warp (unable to use the Spore Drive due to Stamets being on the Starbase), but the two fleets give chase. Osyraa lets the air leak out in areas of the ship to slowly kill the crew (so she's just a one dimensional stereotypical villain, why not just vent the atmosphere?) but the crew manage to disable one of the warp nacelles by destroying one of the magnets (really? just magnets? they don't have something a little more advanced than that? This seems like an obvious and easily exploitable weakness in the separated nacelle design by just disrupting the magnetic field) holding it to the ship, causing Discovery to drop out of warp. But it's immediately taken into the Emerald Chain ship's hangar bay (why didn't the Federation and Ni'Var fleets immediately catch up when they were right behind them?)

Meanwhile, Michael and Book have a big fight with Osyraa and her henchmen in the turbolifts (which don't have doors, or they're left open for some reason, and this all takes place in a MASSIVE wide open area of the ship, like we've seen in previous seasons. Which I guess would make a little more sense in this season, since we know from Enterprise, they have technology to make ships bigger on the inside than they are on the outside by this century... But this is still one of the dumbest visual things they've done in this series. It doesn't make any sense for the ship to have a massive city sized void with only turbolift tracks running through it. A starship would utilize all the space they possibly could in the ship. Not to mention, on the schematics of the ship they have on displays, which ironically enough, they even show on the turbolift's controls in this very scene, never shows a massive void in the ship like this. Why do these creators keep putting stuff like this in the show? It makes no sense). After moving their fight to the computer... I mean "data core" room (which is clearly the Starfleet HQ set redressed), Burnham shoots and kills Osyraa (an anti-climatic finish) while nearly drowning in a wall of programmable matter Osyraa pushed her into (you'd think the programmable matter would have some safety features to prevent somebody from being completely enveloped by it).

Burnham resets the computer (I didn't mention this for the previous episode but the Emerald Chain changed the computer to their own OS, which is why the Sphere Data downloaded itself into the Dot Droids... Even though they couldn't delete the Sphere Data and said they were just going to ignore it since it was disguising itself as an old movie. For some reason Burnham uses a 23rd century backup... Which doesn't make sense, their computer shouldn't even be compatible with the 23rd century software anymore, why don't they have 32nd century backups?) and beams the remaining Emerald Chain people off Discovery (save for the human scientist in a hover chair, which the computer apparently could somehow tell isn't with the Emerald Chain anymore) and restores life support. She then asks any crew that can hear her report to the bridge (I guess most of the crew died, because besides the bridge crew... not that many people are on the bridge). Tilly gives command to Burnham... for some reason.

To escape from inside the Emerald Chain ship, she comes up with the brilliant plan to eject and detonate the warp core... and use the spore drive to jump out with Book as the pilot (why would she suddenly believe he'd have the ability to pilot the spore drive? He doesn't have space tardigrade DNA, which has been established to be required for it. They come up with this theory his empathic abilities with animals will allow him to connect with the spores out of nowhere... Which they're betting their lives on before they even test this theory. Spores are also not animals... they are a reproductive cell from fungi, how can he "connect" with them? I don't recall them explaining that's how it works for Staments... Not that how the Spore Drive works makes any sense anyway. And why detonate the warp core? With Osyraa dead, shouldn't they give the Emerald Chain the chance to surrender and release Discovery before they murder the entire crew? They just assume they wont release Discovery at this point). It works (inexplicably, albeit the writers try to mislead the audience by having the ship jump at the last possible second as the warp core explodes. The warp core I also want to point out bounces and sparks along the ejection tube... I'd hate to think that's a normal ejection, seems like it could cause the core to breach. And even the way the Emerald Chain ship is destroyed doesn't look right. The hull visibly expands, then contracts a bit like the ship is collapsing in on itself... which wouldn't happen in a vacuum, and then it explodes, like it withstood the detonation of the warp core before a secondary explosion destroyed it), and the crew goes to save the others left behind in the nebula.

Saru decides to return to his homeworld with Su'Kal to help him adjust to life in the real world, and so Burnham is promoted to Captain of Discovery (despite proving time and time again she isn't suited to be in command?). With Osyraa dead, apparently the Emerald Chain has fallen apart. Some worlds, such as Trill, have rejoined the Federation, while others, like Ni'Var are in talks about rejoining (you'd think they'd mention if EARTH was one of these planets that have rejoined or is thinking of rejoining, still disappointed they had Earth leave the Federation in the first place...). Starfleet has figured out how to mine the dilithium on the planet in the nebula (and apparently is so abundant on this planet that all their dilithium shortage problems are solved? That seems extremely far fetched), and so Discovery (FINALLY getting new 32nd century uniforms. And I guess medical has its own division color now? Hugh has a white stripe on his uniform instead of blue. Tilly is in a blue uniform, despite being a command officer Edit: Apparently this was digitally edited, she was filmed in a red uniform, but they changed it to blue for some reason. Adira gets a Starfleet commission, and is in a blue uniform. Book, despite expressing an interest in joining Starfleet, remains in civilian clothes) sets off to start delivering the freshly mined dilithium throughout the Federation.

This is yet another episode to get a title change, originally being "Outside" and is now "That Hope is You, part 2"... making a continuation of the first episode of this season? I've never seen a show have a part two that takes place 12 episodes apart like this... Let alone doesn't really directly continue the plot of that particular episode. But then Discovery already kinda did that with "Unification III"... which I and II weren't even Discovery episodes, they were TNG episodes.

Few other points...

Apparently the three Sphere Data Dot23 droids that were set up to help the crew out in the previous episode do absolutely nothing. Two of them get destroyed right away, and one helps save the crewmember that disabled the warp nacelle and I guess is seen being fixed at the end... But that's about it. I don't understand why the Sphere Data transferred itself to these droids in the first place. Last season they'd said it couldn't be removed or deleted from Discovery's computer... Granted the Sphere Data could conceivably remove itself, but why now? It probably could have done more to help the crew if it stayed in Discovery's main computer, and they established the Emerald Chain couldn't delete it. I get the feeling this was merely plot convenience, so the Sphere Data wouldn't be able to just take control of the ship away from the Emerald Chain... But the way these writers handled it makes no sense given what they'd already established about the Sphere Data. They'd obviously wrote themselves into a corner here.

They sorta expand on how Su'Kal caused the Burn. Hugh speculates that Su'Kal is a polyploid having been mutated in the womb (which still doesn't explain anything, a polyploid just means he's got extra chromosomes. Unless maybe the writers think one of those chromosomes could be an X-gene giving him super powers? In which case, they're writing for the wrong franchise...). Having been mutated in this environment with so much dilithium around, he somehow has a genetic connection to subspace because dilithium has a subspace component. Oh, and dilithium apparently has a subspace component to it. I'm sure no other Star Trek has ever said that dilithium crystals have a "subspace component" to them before. And that really doesn't make any sense... This is so dumb. I have to wonder if these writers know what the crystals function in a warp core even is given this explanation. So when Su'Kal's mother died in front of him, and he screamed in his grief, his voice traveled not only as a wave through the air, but also as a wave through subspace, and that for some reason effected all the dilithium throughout the entire galaxy in fractions of a second. So very, very dumb. Even traveling through subspace, we have never seen anything in Star Trek that can move across the entire galaxy that fast or is that potent with that kind of range. They seem to believe getting him away from this planet will prevent another Burn from happening, but what evidence do they have to support that? Is the dilithium on the planet amplifying the effect, and yet, why wasn't any of the dilithium on this planet rendered inert like the rest of the galaxy? I'm very disappointed this is the reason they came up with for the Burn. It's very poor reasoning, the timeline of these events doesn't really make sense, and how this subspace components stuff is explained doesn't make any sense in-universe.

Come to think of it... Su'Kal being raised in essentially a holodeck all alone, reminds me of TNG episode "Future Imperfect". Only, that was way better than this. And the action portion of the episode I've seen some people comparing to "Total Recall".

When this ship scans Adira to change their appearance (I don't recognize the species it makes them, I'm guessing something original to Discovery Edit: She's a Xahean introduced in season 2 of Discovery, although the makeup looks different), it also manifests Gray (who appears as a Vulcan) as a hologram that the others can see... somehow. Before they shut down the program, Gray is disappointed others wont be able to see him anymore, feeling this is what he is missing... I mean, Gray is easily one of my favorite characters introduced this season, but as a Trill, I'm not really sure what he expects here. He died and lives on because his memories are a part of the Tal symbiont, and it's really unusual the ship could and did manifest him as a hologram. Nevertheless, Hugh promises to find a solution to allow Gray the same autonomy. I'd think it'd be easy enough for another Federation starship to replicate however this ship was able to manifest Gray in the first place... But I would have liked for this to get a bit more focus here. This all felt really rushed and they move on too quickly.

Besides the little bit of character development for Gray and Adira here, and the tension of having a ticking clock for the crew to come back to save them... I don't see why the writers kept these characters trapped on this planet, they don't really add anything to the story that they didn't already cover in the episode "Su'Kal". We already knew Su'Kal caused the Burn, and it was apparent it was the death of his mother that upset him over 100 years ago. So why play that all out again? Granted I think it was done better here, albeit expanding on Su'Kal being "genetically connected to dilithium" is dumb, but still, they're essentially just repeating what we already knew from the earlier episode.

This is the first, and only episode of season 3 to show Discovery actually using its conventional warp drive, having exclusively used the spore drive the rest of the season. What happened to promising the jahSepp in season 2 that they'd NEVER use the spore drive again, because it was damaging the ecosystem within the mycelial network? They never so much as mentioned it this season, yet both Starfleet and the Emerald Chain expressed an interest in making more ships with a spore drive. You'd think the Discovery crew might have brought up they shouldn't be using the spore drive at all...
I hate this show. These writers always take dumb jumps in logic and can't seem to write a coherent story, rip off other better stories, and not to mention don't understand how things work in Star Trek. I don't know why it's getting a season 4...
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