No, you clearly are the one not willing to look at the facts, as you're ignoring what OnslaughSix is saying about the situation, and honestly, HE is making more sense and bringing up better points than YOU are.Sparky Prime wrote:Actually... Despite the concept of the spark as we know it not being developed until Beast Wars, there are references in the G1 comics to a "life spark" or "spark of life" among others (for example; when Jetfire joins the Autobots, he thanks Optimus for using the Creation Matrix "to ignite the spark of life" in him). Admittedly the writers probably intended this as a metaphorical "spark" rather than an actual spark but it actually works either way. And then in G1 cartoon there was even a reference to a "laser core" that if extinguished meant death for the Transformer, and the term has later been used interchangeably with the term "spark".Onslaught Six wrote:Oh, pish-posh! Laserbeak and Buzzsaw are shitty FunPub retrocontinuity, and you know it--you can't use that in argument against BW. That'd be like pointing out flaws in the G1 comics because they're not referencing sparks--of course they aren't, sparks didn't exist back then.
Anyway, the point being that comic shows the possibility of other Decepticons having been rebuilt as Predacons.
Actually Apelinq escaped with Windrazor through a transwarp portal (Apelinq is the only one that remembers that entire event). It was never revealed what happened to Windrazor after that given he apparently vanished. It's possible he's still somewhere or even reverted back to his original split form. And again, the point is that the comic does show some G1 characters still alive in the Beast Era. Come to think of it there are actually a lot more too. I forgot to mention Grimlock was in the IDW comics (not to mention his original tech specs information). And Prowl (the TM2 owl) is supposed to be like a clone or... something of the original. Then in the Universe comic we saw Sunstreaker, Sideswipe and Trailbreaker. The Magnaboss components (Silverbolt, Prowl and Ironhide) are supposedly the original G1 characters as well.Windrazor was only ever involved in Omega Point, a story that technically didn't even happen now, so he's out. And Rodimus and Arcee were only ever hanging around on Cybertron or elsewhere in space. These people have *other* things to do--they don't have time to sit around whining about GeeWun. (Except Arcee, since that's kind of all she ever did.)
Nice. Name calling. Great way to show you have a calm and rational approach to an argument.SynjoDeonecros wrote:Sparky, you are an idiot.
Actually I think Dom is more rational than to resort to name calling. Not so much with O6...BWprowl wrote:Only Dom can call Sparky and idiot.Onslaught Six wrote:What about me? D:
Joking aside, it really is uncalled for.
Even with the numerous mistakes, like it or not, IDW's source books are still an official source of information. Unlike Wikipedia which, not to mention, isn't exactly a reliable source itself. Discount them if you like, but for the purposes of this discussion, they still have relevant information. And no, they are not the only hints to when BWII took place given "The Gathering" and "The Ascending" part of which take place at the relative present Cybertron time-frame, as well as in the past with the actual Beast Wars.SynjoDeonecros wrote:The ONLY IDW source that hints at BWII taking place other than during BW is the source books, and those are inaccurate and unreliable, plus The Gathering and The Ascending RAN CONCURRENT TO BEAST WARS.
I didn't say it was covered up as in classified, I said it was covered up, as in literally covered up. A new city was built over top of it. And no, not everyone in BW/BM knew about it. As I already told you, Nightscream had no idea what city it was. Optimus filled him on Iacon's history, which again is that with the Great Upgrade from Autobot to Maximal, a new city was built over Iacon. Iacon is still there but it is now an underground abandoned city, because it was built for Autobot inhabitants, not the physically smaller Maximals. Really, I think you need to read my posts more carefully because I already explained all of this and it wouldn't hurt if you go watch the episodes again.Iacon being paved over does NOT IN ANY WAY PROVE THAT IT WAS COVERED UP! EVERYONE in the BW knew about it, EVERYONE. Why even bring up Iacon when talking about what the Elders hid? THEY HAD NO FREAKING REASON TO SEAL IT UP, BECAUSE IT WASN'T RELEVANT TO THE EVENTS THEY WERE HIDING; EARTH AND THE EVENTS OF G1 THAT TOOK PLACE ON IT WAS.
Again, as BWprowl said, they're basically compressing the story behind the Ark/Nemesis crashing on Earth. The only thing that really matters to the story is that, not too unlike the Maximals and Predacons ships, both the Ark and Nemesis crashed on Earth. And once again, re-watch the episodes. They are not surprised to see the Ark (or any other G1 reference) as you claim they are.They got the whole Ark/Nemesis attack wrong, with the shooting bringing down the Ark and no mention of a raiding party. EVERY FREAKING EXPRESSION THEY GAVE WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A G1 REFERENCE WAS EITHER DISBELIEF OF WONDER THAT IT EXISTS. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. What more can I say to disprove all the crap you keep on spouting?
You've said that a couple times, yet you're still posting about it. But anyway, we're not the ones blatantly ignoring the facts here. Several things you've said here simply are not accurate and again, I'd suggest you re-watch the episodes to figure out what the facts actually are. Last I looked, they are all on youtube.I'm through arguing this with you; it's clear you guys are blatantly ignoring the facts to come up with your own lame justification for what is, by definition, a writer screwup.
Plus, you're contradicting yourself and just giving me more fuel for my argument; you just proved that there were a LOT MORE SURVIVORS than we were lead to believe, and that's my whole argument; the existence of the survivors nullifies any attempt the writers tried to make G1 "Arthurian Lore". As I said, why would Silverbolt, who only had the Maximals and Predacons on Earth as a source of info about G1, label the Ark and whatnot as "legends" if they were as knowledgeable about those things and knew them to be as stone-cold fact as you say they were? It doesn't make sense, and the only way it COULD make sense is if they WEREN'T that knowledgeable.
Also, why are you so insistent on pointing out Iacon when I bring up what the Maximal Elders sealed away? You're acting like it's proof positive that the Elders sealed up NOTHING, which is bull; as I said before, they would've likely sealed up anything dealing with G1 in regards to EARTH, NOT Cybertron, so there would be NO REASON for them to hide Iacon. So, really, the Transformers knowing about Iacon MEANS NOTHING.
You are an idiot. Say it's uncalled-for, but you are; you're blatantly ignoring the evidence presented here, you're coming up with contrived "proof" to back up your claims, and you're the one making the idiotic assumptions. Most of your argument has already been shot down, if not by me, than by Onslaught Six or others. Just face it: you've lost. The bottom line is, the Maximals DID NOT KNOW AS MUCH AS YOU SAY THEY DID, they were NEVER intended to know that much, and only once Ravage showed up and we were told there were more survivors of his kind, did we realize they COULD HAVE known that much, if they wanted to. You're the only one who's refusing to believe it, for whatever reason.